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Spawn7586@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

As a european working in the weapon industry, I love reading american people thinking we make no weapons or the weapons we make are worse. We even sold some ships to the US lol. American military is the best, but not necesarily for quality, but for the sheer amount (aka quantity) coming from how much money you put in there. And a lot of money is spent buying other systems…

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kent_eh@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

As a european working in the weapon industry, I love reading american people thinking we make no weapons or the weapons we make are worse.

American exceptionalism has been a major feature of the Americans self image for many generations.

It’s really tiring living beside them and having to hear them constantly blathering about it.

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ricesoup@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I’m not trying to diminish the quality or importance of the French military, the only EU country with an independent industrial military complex, but as of 2025 USAF has 385 operative F-35 and another 1,350 on order. Many NATO allies are procuring this fighter. This is a 5th generation fighter, the Dassault Rafale and the Dassault Mirage 2000 are 4th generation. Currently, no 5th generation fighters are being produced in the EU.

Unpopular opinion, but the Americans have better quality airframes and produce more. On a wide EU-Russia conflict the EU would still depend on US made weaponry. Sad but true.

Which should be a reason good enough to create an EU wide military industrial complex and make your own 5th and 6th generation fighters and your own defense systems.

But the EU is eternally disunited.

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