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MudMan@kbin.social 11 months agoThey do, but no, I'm not.
There's a difference between using Christian mythos as mythos and making a spiritual point. You pick what to pull and why, and things have meaning.
Ironically, in this context if they had made this more of an explicit heaven it'd have been less of a conscious choice (see also, Thor: Love & Thunder). The framing of the afterlife, who states the existence of a divine plan, paired with the role that scene plays in the movie are all important context cues.
Again, people worked really hard to not trivialize that scene as a fantasy setup and instead charge it with meaning and a point. It'd be a shame to purposefully ignore it, whether you agree with the implied philosophical take or not.
Mongostein@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
By that logic the Thor movies are pushing a Nordic mythological agenda. Should I be concerned?
MudMan@kbin.social 11 months ago
No, that's the opposite of that logic. As... I explicitly say above.
See, people think meaning is a puzzle. "What is actually happening in such and such movie?", but that's not it.
Meaning is communication, it's put together from a lot of shared cues. It's not Picross, it's more like a coloring book. Like I said above, Thor movies, if anything, make an explicit point of explaining how humans confused a race of aliens for gods. They were so worried about that distinction that at some point in Avengers they make Cap say "There is only one God and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that".
Which is also a very Christian statement but not an honest statement of belief because of the way it's presented, when it's presented, who says it and the history of Marvel being very afraid to call Thor a "god" in media. Context cues!
Mongostein@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
In the Thor movies they explain that Hel and Valhalla are real as well. I don’t see it as any different.
MudMan@kbin.social 11 months ago
The Thor movies have three different directors and a bunch of writers, they don't "say" the same things. And I just walked through why and how they are different.
The Taika Waititi movies, which I presume are the ones you're referring to, actively mock the gods they depict. Hel is actively a place where Odin is hiding, figuratively, the shame of his colonial past. In the sequel, Valhalla is in fact presented as a physical afterlife, but honestly it's, like the "there is onkly one God", more of a metatextual statement to limit the bummer of an ending. See my post above about why Valhalla being Valhalla and Jane going there physically is the opposite of what Guardians 3 is doing.
But hey, ultimately the TLDR is: nobody involved in Love & Thunder thinks there's a Valhalla, and you can tell. Somebody in Guardians thinks there is a version of the nondescript, nondenominational heavenly afterlife they depict, and you can tell.