Comment on Labour is wilfully ignoring that the climate crisis is at a crunch point.

• frankPodmore@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I didn’t say the Saudis would produce less, I said we’d use the same amount but buy more off the Saudis.

  We do need to move away from oil dependence (and we are), but until we do that, we need oil from somewhere and we may as well get it here.

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  • br3d@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Oil extracted near the UK doesn’t get used in the UK - it goes to the global market.

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    • frankPodmore@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      My line of argument does not require that the oil be used here.

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  • HumanPenguin@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If we never drill for it. Or allow anyone else. Studies will run out eventually.

    It is in no way a solution. But the simple fact is adding new wells extends the time corperations and governments can delay implementing alternatives. Increasing the total amount of harm done to the enviroment.

    It is not a zero sum game. Providing our own dose not mean the world burns the same amount t it means we burn for longer with less urgency to alternative options and inferstructure.

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    • frankPodmore@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      If it was in my power, I would certainly jail the CEOs and nationalise the oil companies, so I’m with you there.

      However, stopping oil immediately before alternatives are in place would be a humanitarian disaster.

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      • HumanPenguin@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        However, stopping oil immediately before alternatives are in place would be a humanitarian disaster

        I agree. But many don’t. Its def up for debate.

        But that is in no way justification for new dilling. All drilling new fields dose is give excuses to delay those alternatives. We are not really waiting for new tech to solve this problem. The tech we have today is able to do it. What we need it the fiscal and societal motivation to move away from oil. More oil will just motivate those currently making money from it to slow down that investment more.

        We need to invest in major inferstructure uprated to our electrical grid. Copy ideas like Norway new overhead power for trucking. (Think electric trams but using roads and semi trucks. Then using battery for last mile transport etc. While its only a trial being built atm. It is the type of thinking we need. And better electrical grids are the first steps.

        Unfortunately giving current oil interests longer is not in anyway the solution. As a society we need to accept the use is going to stop. So pull our freaking socks up and get on with it. We don’t need to wait for new tech. We need to implement the best of the current tech and stop finding excuses.

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  • rah@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    and we are

    Really? What makes you say that?

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    • frankPodmore@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The government is investing record amounts in green energy, approving record numbers of green projects and rewriting planning law so it can approve even more.

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      • rah@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        You’ve given me a list of nice-sounding ideas but no references whatsoever to demonstrate that what you’re saying is true.

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