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Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

We’re getting ever closer to biblical times, where the exploitation of the masses by a tiny minority was the norm. Democracy and equity are, historically speaking, a very new development and we’ve been backsliding for quite a while now.

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Quill7513@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
new in western Europe* colonialism eliminated many societies that found ways to run their societies without the kinds of authoritarian power structures common in western Europe. the imperial powers, including eastern Asia (China and Japan), moscow, and western Europe wiped out threats to these authoritarian power structures. the societies they encountered were scientifically advanced in ways the imperial powers didn’t truly understand because those powers only interacted with the world around them via violence

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- Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Can you name any examples for such societies? With evidence, preferably.
  
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  - Quill7513@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    
    Village elders selecting a chief to represent their families was common in africa
    
    The Iroquois organized their tribes into a bicameral political structure as early as 1142, though most archaeologists believe the date was more likely to be around 1450
    
    The Cossacks of Eastern Europe were largely self organized as equals until the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth declared them to be protectorate subjects (which itself was… Not as good at being an anarchy as the Cossacks were, but was also FAR more democratic that the forces that ultimately partitioned it). I don’t have a good link for this one, unfortunately, but I’m sure if you do some light digging you can find some info
    
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    WolfLink@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    I read a bit about the Iroquois history. It sounds like as soon as they found strength in their political structure, they started conquering neighbors, a pattern that seems pretty much unbroken throughout human history :/
    
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  - Yondoza@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    There’s also ancient Greek and Rome which were republics 2000 and 2500 years ago.
    
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    countrypunk@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Ancient Greece and Rome were societies that were based upon and heavily reliant on slavery.
    
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