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Jimmycakes@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yeah its actually the opposite, anime is supposed to make people horny.

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  • Jimmycakes@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They will invent a way for us to get anime girls pregnant. That’s when you need to start getting scared.

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  • jol@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I actually believe this why South Korea is pushing K-Pop so much. To make young girls horny and procreate more to fix low population fertility.

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    • someacnt@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t think this strategy is working.

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      • jol@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You don’t know. Maybe the birth rate would be even lower otherwise.

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    • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There is definitely strategy behind some of these things yes

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• WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Conservatives say that’s what they want, but they only really want to subjugate women. If they actually cared about population totals first, they would be working hard to make it so everyone who wanted a kid could get one.

  One core problem developed countries are experiencing, in terms of demography, is the mismatch between skills development and biological fertility. It takes people into their 30s or even 40s before they’re financially able to support children. For millions of couples, by the time they can financially support a child, the window has already closed. It takes so much education and experience to be competitive in advanced economies that it creates this mismatch.

  Now, we could have mass government-sponsored surrogacy. But that has so many ethical problems, that there is a reason no government has tried it. Yet, there is a near-term technology that we are on the verge of, but very little research dollars are dedicated towards. That is artificial gestation.

  When was the last time you heard Musk or any of the other demographics-obsessed tech bros throw a few billion at developing this tech? This technology, along with other advanced reproductive technologies, could really do a lot to raise the birth rate in developed countries. And there are other techniques that could also be leveraged with this, such as techniques to create egg and stem cells from skin samples. There’s a lot of near-term reproductive technologies waiting in the wings that could have a substantial effect on the birth rate, but that we simply haven’t fully developed yet.

  In fact, governments could cover the entire cost of the artificial gestation process if they want more people that badly. Ideally, anyone who is in the position to raise a child should be able to fill out an application, have some gametes created via a skin biopsy, and have an infant grown in a womb tank. And have the whole thing paid for by the State Population Initiative, or whatever you want to call it.

  There are millions of couples out there who have the financial means to raise a child, but simply are biologically incapable of having children. We typically flippantly tell these people, “just adopt!,” as if there is some vast supply of infants in orphanages just waiting for adoption. In truth, adopting an infant involves years-long wait lists and costs a hundred grand or more. But there are millions of couples that would love to have biological children, but simply can’t. They’re couples with reproductive issues, LGBT couples, couples that have aged out, etc. If conservatives actually cared about demographics, they would be doing everything they can to make it cheap and easy for these millions of couples to get the children they want. And while mass surrogacy isn’t really viable, a mature artificial gestation technology would be a game-changer.

  And yet, you never see someone like Musk suggesting we develop these technologies, let alone pouring some of his billions to their advancement. The truth is that hand-wringing over population is just the latest dog whistle against women’s rights. Their first goal is to subjugate women, the population issues are just an excuse.

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  • Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Just want to point out, even with billions, an artificial womb would still not be seen for decades.

    Even something like growing a kidney has been incredibly difficult. A whole human would require essentially first fully understanding the whole process of pregnancy and how a fetus affects the body, and then maybe artificial organoids as well. It would probably be easier to figure out how to grow a brain first.

    Basically this is like the old saying of how you can’t make 9 women make 1 baby in 1 month.

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    • WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      IDK. Looking at that wikipedia article, the progress looks pretty good.

      Also, just on a conceptual level, growing a whole embryo may be a lot easier than growing a single organ. Organs really aren’t designed to grow by themselves. A fetus is designed to grow and develop. It needs a nutrient supply.

      But I think of it as the difference between trying to figure out how to grow plants in aquaponics vs trying to somehow coax plant cells to grow a flower without the rest of the flower plant present.

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      • Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        *A flower with seeds, unless you want a bunch of sterile future humans too.

        Growing an embryo is easy. Growing an embryo into a fetus is hard. Growing a fetus into a baby is still very very unknown. There’s a LOT of signal pathways to figure out with many hormone mixtures as well. It wasn’t until recently that only one aspect of sex development was even somewhat figured out:

        www.sciencedaily.com/releases/…/181215141333.htm

        And that’s not even getting into more complicated things. It’s still not understood why some people are born heterosexual, others homosexual, bisexual, etc. But it is thought to have something to do with development in the womb (look up how the odds of being a gay man go up the more kids a woman has). If something like orientation is affected by womb development, what else is? Intelligence? Empathy? Facial Features?

        And if you get it wrong, the result can be unethical. You could end up with many humans who have no empathy, or as I mentioned, sterile, or whoops everyone is hetero now, or all of them have severe learning disabilities.

        And if you get it right, guess what the rich will do? Gattica btw.

        A lot of progress has been done, yes, but there’s still way, way more. People forget the human genome wasn’t even mapped out until the early 2000s, and less than 50 years ago people could still smoke in a lot of hospitals.

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• NIB@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  As automation/robotics/ai get better, humans transform from an asset to a liability. Fewer people means fewer protestors/rioters/revolutionaries/universal income recipients/whatever.

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  • Jimmycakes@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Were not that part yet. We’re at the part where they need an ever growing youth paying into taxes to support promises made to the old and consume ever more to keep stock prices going up. What you describe is a few generations away still.

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