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• quixotic120@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It doesn’t matter if it’s free. Fuck that. Your iot shit should NOT be on “cloud” servers. I love having automated tech shit in my house, it’s great, but it’s 100% not worth having if it can’t run offline

  My one exception is if it needs an initial authentication online and then can run offline forever. Lutron caseta is an example I will endorse, the product works extremely well. Never have drop outs, unresponsive devices, etc. it does require an internet connection to activate a device initially but after that it can run on an isolated vlan with no internet access indefinitely (I have verified this)

  Philips, like so many other iot providers, will likely skimp on cybersecurity. Why should I trust them to potentially sync my address, my lighting schedules, information about the layout of my house, etc? Further they will absolutely harvest my data and sell it. If not initially then eventually. Fuck all of that. The best option for security is to air gap all my iot shit and not connect it to the internet at all. If the vendors don’t respect that then I don’t respect them. Either I’ll hack it to make it work, find a workaround, or sell it. Either way I’ll make sure I shit on them online every chance I get because I’m so goddamn tired of corporations stealing our autonomy as consumers

  Highly recommend home assistant btw. Only voice assistant you can actually run locally and only voice assistant you can actually have autonomy over. It’s frustrating that the choice is a more feature filled product like alexa, siri, or hue versus home assistant or a pure z wave bulb but the former always robs your autonomy. They either fill the space with ads whenever possible (alexa), don’t allow you to customize the assistant and control your data (siri and alexa), at any time will change the tos to revoke api access (chamberlain, mazda), force server sided bullshit (hue), etc

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• adarza@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  of course they wanna charge you. they’ve been purposefully fucking with incandescent light bulb lifetimes for a hundred years as a means to increase profits.

  they can’t do that anymore, so they need another racket to get you to keep coming back and giving them money…

  and they found it.

  just like every other greedy bastard corporation—subscriptions.

  at least they aren’t gimping the led units to some arbitrary lifespan, but you know damn well they’re using the cheapest shortest-lasting sub-components and cheapest manufacturing they can find.

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• Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I’ve had Philips Hue for like 6-7 years now I think, I only registered a few weeks ago when I bought a new phone and wanted to get all my all configurations to my new phone without much hassle. I don’t mind them being connected as there’s no cameras or sensors on them and I’m not looking to buy any of their sensors or anything.

  Also I trust EU regulations to be such that Philips can’t deprive me of basic functionality on these. Also also, the scripts for these were rather simple, to the point that despite me not having touched a single line of code for like 15-years, and even before that only having done it for some courses, I could easily manage a script to manage them.

  Just took a clip at 240 fps, no flickering. Reading the earlier post I was like wondering about flickering, because I’ve never had any as all my bulbs are Hue Colours.

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  • quixotic120@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Eu regulations won’t save you when someone hacks philips servers and all of the data they’ve stored on you is captured by malicious actors. And whoops, it turns out they stored a ton more than they needed to, your address, your lighting schedule, how many rooms are in your house, names of users with access to your home, etc. and whoops, turns out they did the bare minimum to secure their servers and hacking them was basically as simple as knowing how to hack things

    So terrible! What will the eu do! Be really mad at them and 8 years later sue them for 70 million dollars, which is 5% of their operating revenue. They will surely learn their lesson and definitely not continue doing the exact same thing without changing at all. But they’re really mad at them! And they can’t stop you from turning off the lights! Nice! Also they harvested all that data above and sold it to advertisers to make back the 70 million (and then some) so it didn’t even matter they got hacked, your info is easily available for like 24 cents

    They definitely don’t flicker though until they’ve had a significant amount of use. But there are a lot of comparable bulbs for much cheaper that don’t cost nearly as much. Not all of those are “smart” though, but you can combine them with a smart product that’s much more consumer friendly (like lutron caseta) and then you’re good to go. Or just get a z wave bulb if you want a bulb that can do things like change colors/temperatures. Fuck philips, fuck compulsory “cloud” services”, and fuck the regulatory bodies that have utterly failed us because they simply don’t understand tech beyond basic connectors (or they’re paid not to, I guess)

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    • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      And whoops, it turns out they stored a ton more than they needed to, your address, your lighting schedule, how many rooms are in your house, names of users with access to your home, etc. and whoops, turns out they did the bare minimum to secure their serv

      I have literally no fucking problem with them knowing any of that — which they’re wouldn’t from my data.

      Even if they recorded the actual signal strength of each bulb in relation to the Bridge, they wouldn’t know how many rooms I have. My naming scheme and placement scheme in the app does not reflect reality in the slightest, nor do the names of my devices. They’re half-arbitrary alphanumeric combos, like OH1 and CX2.

      Hue having any of that data is far less scary than the potential of me getting stabbed on the way home.

      Now, just to make sure you understand, I don’t agree with any of the data that probably is collected on me. But whilst I’d rather them not have it, it honestly doesn’t makena bit of difference practically.

      Are you European or not? Just curious because if you are, do you always stop to refuse cookies, even “legitimate interest”? Do you avoid sites which don’t allow you to do that?

      Or are not European and don’t even have the option?

      Because I’ve genuinely spent literal hours in the past few years scrolling through the lists of hundreds of vendors to individually click them off.

      But sometimes those popups are designed so you’ll accidentally click the accept all. And on occasion it has happened. So… what’s the practical difference?

      Aa I’ve shown you, ideologically I do stand and act on the side of privacy. But do I really care or fear “malicious actors”?

      Even if you had my every single password and id, you wouldn’t be able to harm me in any way. What are you gonna do, add money to my account? Improve my credit?

      No.

      The only malicious actors that I’m concerned with are the local police.

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      • quixotic120@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        This is all besides the point. This is not a website. This is a product, that runs in your home, that was sold for years on the agreement that they would not be able to harvest this data (simply because I could run them without connecting to the internet). Now I still have that option of course, but I will eventually trade product updates to do so. It is a given, philips has said as much

        Also the data would likely include things like your wifi SSID and password (hopefully encrypted).

        It’s cool that you don’t care about your autonomy and privacy but the bottom line is companies like philips shouldn’t get to unilaterally get to make decisions that alter the tos over a decade later because people like you are apathetic. Some people have literal thousands invested into this ecosystem and many have hundreds, easily. Your apathy and people like you enables companies like philips to bully consumers and make consumer hostile decisions

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