Submitted 3 years ago by squashkin@wolfballs.com to freeforum@wolfballs.com
They occupy the gov't buildings there?
Bonus question: So how do they take a country? Occupy the gov't buildings of the capital?
also what is the military strategy of ukraine or russia? I've read books like art of war by sun tzu but it seemed pretty abstract, didn't mention capturing the equivalent of nuke reactors. Is that what applied art of war looks like, or what is military strategy?
https://infogalactic.com/info/Military_strategy
The Ukrainians are delaying as much as they can. They can't directly destroy Russian army, its 10:1
The Russians had an 'intimidation' force along the border a year ago to negotiate with NATO, with no intention of invading, before something caused them to invade suddenly. Proof is that normally an invasion is prepared with entire divisions moved with Command hierarchy and low level units. But Russia's 'intimidation' force had only low level units (BTGs) from across the country gathered in an ad hoc way without the Command of their parents.
Because of this sudden invasion, they didn't have time to prepare a Command setup to coordinate 150,000 ground troops, and their units swarmed Ukraine. Perhaps because of this, the Russian air force also wasn't as present, due to the difficulties in coordination and fear of friendly fire. Thus suicide missions like the swarm of choppers going to Hostmel and getting shot down.
iamtanmay@wolfballs.com 3 years ago
I would assume they mean active fighting is over, and they are doing staging, resupply etc
As for country.... has anyone ever taken a country ? Its a stupid question, but the US could not 'take' Afghanistan permanently. It 'kept' it for 20 years. I think its impossible to 'take' a country forever
I think temporarily occupying a country would mean at least 2/3rds is dominated by physical force of one party. E.g Syria is considered 'taken' by Assad, but has several regions under different rebels.
I think its a example of why local govt and representation is more important than centralized bureaucracy, like Soviet Union, EU, US Fed govt. Faraway central authorities tend to not represent local interests.
sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 3 years ago
Really, the moment a country is "taken" would be the moment the established government ceases to claim control of the country.
That doesn't mean the country will continue to be held. Even in a dictatorship, government only functions with the consent of the governed, because otherwise you're constantly dealing with uprisings.
squashkin@wolfballs.com 3 years ago
so then what's putin's next move after the capital is "acquired to be kept"?
iamtanmay@wolfballs.com 3 years ago
The goal Putin has been repeating like a broken record for years is to keep NATO off Russia's doorstep. He has given enough warnings, moved troops around to scare people and now invaded.
How would taking Kiev achieve this ? Who knows. The battles of Stalingrad, Warsaw, Chechnya and Mosul show Kiev will take months to fall. The longer the war goes, the worse for Putin, and indirectly us.
The war made Finland think about joining NATO. Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia applied to EU. Not sure if Putin accounted for this. Or if there was a plan, other than bomb Ukraine till it surrenders.
Most sane people would be happy if Putin got what he wanted - NATO banning Ukraine, and the war ended. That's waaaaaay better than driving him into a corner.