Been looking into getting an "Indexed Universal Life" insurance policy. Are these trust worthy?

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

I hate investing. Shit in general is made up bullshit and is halfway between a scam and gambling, but unfortunately I live in a society and have to play these games for my own survival. Anyways a coworker I generally trust recommended I get one of these for retirement or college funding or whatever: the concept is I pay towards a life insurance policy and after some time I can leverage it for cash to do stuff with. I’m not familiar with all the details of how it works: whether it’s a loan with no interest or an early use of my policy’s pay out. So, I was wondering if anyone here has used one in the past or knows of these matters and can provide advice on it.

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jeffw@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
That’s just an index fund with extra steps

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- TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Don’t forget the extra fees!
  
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TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Grab a broad-market index fund with the lowest fees (e.g., VTSAX), set regular purchases, and move on with your life. Avoid insurance products that claim to be investments. Avoid anything with higher-than-minimum fees or load fees.

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slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
With the info here I would say it is a early use of the insurance payout. If you want to invest go for something simple like Vanguard SPY or ishare ivv (both track the s&p 500) then get some Vanguard VXUS for tracking the global stock markets except US.

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litchralee@sh.itjust.works ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The other comments correctly explain why an index fund is probably better suited, and will preserve more value by having lower fees. But I will propound on why “universal life insurance” (whether indexed or not) might not be a good fit for you.

To explain, I have to start with what the point of life insurance even is. At its core, life insurance is supposed to provide some benefit to replace your life. That is, if when you die, you would no longer be generating income to support your family or to honor your debts. Without the benefit of life insurance, the consequences might include destitution for anyone that depends on you, as well as possibly a forced sale of the family home if the mortgage goes into default. In a nutshell, if correctly set up, life insurance should approximate the value of your life, the same way that car insurance should make you whole if something happens to the car.

(I recognize that this sounds extremely morbid, to put a price on your life. But with the current socio-economic system, this is a necessary exercise)

A reasonable approximation for how much life insurance to buy is to consider how much monthly income would it take so that your family could continue as-is financially in the event that you disappeared from their lives. If the amount will cover everything from inflation, to future college funds, plus retirement savings that you would have made, then that’s probably the upper-limit for the correct amount of benefit to purchase.

If you have no debts, and have no family to support, there’s little point in buying life insurance. Indeed, it’s not terribly profitable for insurance companies to offer just life insurance, which is why they market other types which are partially life insurance, and partially an investment. Every form of life insurance – except fixed term life policies – have this mix.

So the question is, do you need life insurance? If no, then a dedicated investment vehicle – like an index fund – would make more sense. And if yes, then fixed term life insurance makes more sense because it’s cheap and doesn’t muddle your investment portfolio.

I’m of the opinion that mixing one’s insurance objectives with one’s investment objectives is a recipe for disaster, with the extremely narrow situation where the quirks of USA tax law means that wealthy, savvy people that plan ahead could save some tax dollars. Maybe.

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EnsignWashout@startrek.website ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

I hate investing

Mutual Funds / Index funds are your best bet. If you can, pick out one named “target retirement YYYY” with roughly the year you will turn 67.

It will automatically follow investing best practices based on your current age - agrressive earlier, and very cautious later.

I’m not familiar with all the details of how it works

Perfect recipe to get ripped off. (Most people I know say this is a bad product you are considering buying.)

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