Epic’s AI Darth Vader tech is about to be all over Fortnite

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• theangriestbird@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Like honestly, on paper this sounds so cool. If you told me in 2015 that in 10 years time i would be able to play online games with NPC allies that chat with me kinda like real people, I would be super excited about that (and maybe just a little unsettled).

  Of course, in practice, I hate this. I don’t care how cool the tech is, the energy cost of running this tech for even half of Fortnite’s active daily users on a daily basis must be eyewatering. No LLM tech in videogames is worth cooking the planet over. And we all know that the tech companies want utility customers to help foot the bill for these moronic uses of energy, whether we like it or not.

  So ultimately: fuck Epic and anyone else trying to use this LLM tech for anything other than life-or-death situations.

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  • ADandHD@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I with you on the whole let’s not cook the planet for this.

    It’d be nice if instead we had more focus on integrating lightweight and focused models that can run on local hardware. I think that will happen eventually.

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    • theangriestbird@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      yeah, if OpenAI and the rest were talking today about making the models more efficient, rather than focusing on making them more accurate, I would be way less of a luddite about this. If our energy grids were mostly made up of clean sources of energy, I would be way less of a luddite about this. But neither of these things are true, so I remain a luddite about AI.

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    • BmeBenji@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’ve been relatively impressed that the image/emoji generation on my iPhone has all been done on my device. Every time I’ve used it, I’ve checked the “Apple Intelligence” server requests log and it’s always empty (until the one time I asked it to generate a photo memory).

      My phone gets pretty hot instantly, then churns through 3% of the battery in a minute but it’s still running on a local system with the local battery.

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  • MagicShel@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    In going to bet your video card uses more energy than the AI while you play the game.

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    • theangriestbird@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      that would be a safe bet given that none of these AI companies disclose their actual energy usage, so you would never have to pay out that bet because we would never find out if you were right.

      What we do know is that generating a single text response on the largest open source AI models takes about 6,500 joules, if you don’t include the exorbitant energy cost of training the model. We know that most of the closed source models are way more complicated, so let’s say they take 3 times the cost to generate a response. That’s 19,500 joules. Generating an AI voice to speak the lines increases that energy cost exponentially. MIT found that generating a grainy, five-second video at 8 frames per second on an open source model took about 109,000 joules.

      My 3080ti is 350W - if I played a single half-hour match of Fortnite, my GPU would use about 630,000 joules (and that’s assuming my GPU is running at max capacity the entire time, which never happens). Epic’s AI voice model is pretty high quality, so let’s estimate that the cost of a single AI voice response is about 100,000 joules, similar to the low quality video generation mentioned above. If these estimates are close, this means that if I ask Fortnite Darth Vader just 7 questions, the AI has cost more energy than my GPU does while playing the game on max settings.

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  • Owlboi@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    the energy usage of AI is grossly overestimated by people. cooking the planet really should be your last concern. id worry more about a possible skynet if they ever achieve sentient agi, which at the rate its going is gonna be within the next 5 years.

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  • DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I disagree the shareholders have never been happier. Who matters more to Epic Games? People or shareholders?

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