Do you think progressives understand the difference between legal and illegal immigration?

Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Kaboom@reddthat.com⁩ to ⁨conservative@lemm.ee⁩

I’ve seen so much confusion between the two, at first I thought it was trolls, but it’s so consistent that I’ve begun to wonder if they actually don’t understand.

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karl_chungus@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9548663/

Other way around, lower cognitive abilities are linked to conservative views. That’s why you’re so unpopular in your own lemmy community.

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aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Hey cow boy. Progressives are generally more educated and aware, so yes. Meanwhile, most conservatives don’t understand the difference between, for example, asylum and undocumented border crossings; or that “encounters” doesn’t mean “entries”; or that coming on a vacation visa from South Africa or eastern Europe and starting a business or doing modeling work is illegal.

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- Kaboom@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Illegally immigrating and then seeking asylum afterwards is still illegal immigration. You’re just trying a hail Mary when you got caught.
  
  And we’re aware that’s violating your visa is illegal, it’s no where near as prevalent as illegal border crossings.
  
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  - karl_chungus@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    How are Navajo citizens here illegally? Which country do you think should they be deported to?:
    
    https://www.facebook.com/navajonationcouncil/posts/for-immediate-releasejanuary-23-2025naabik%C3%ADy%C3%A1ti-committee-calls-on-president-nyg/1023169666512732/
    
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  - cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    Illegally immigrating and then seeking asylum afterwards is still illegal immigration
    
    Asylum is legally considered part of the removal process for illegal immigrants. Assuming this occurs before they’re caught, why would you kick them out when they’re following the process?
    
    that’s violating your visa is illegal, it’s no where near as prevalent as illegal border crossings
    
    cmsny.org/…/jmhs-visa-overstays-border-wall/
    
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droporain@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Was it like your great grandparents? Arrive at Elis Island, read “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” On the statue of Liberty. Arrive without a passport or drivers license. Get your name shortened and welcome to America? Or are you 100 percent native American?

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- Kaboom@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Native Americans? Tell me, what happened to them when millions of immigrants came?
  
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  - droporain@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    The ones with superior technology and firepower? Well the immigrants that came made contracts and treaties with them. Then they continued to break them. Your statement doesn’t make you the good guy in our current situation it makes you scared and weak.
    
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- jimbolauski@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  If they arrived at elis island they immigrated here legally.
  
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  - droporain@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Lol whatever dude it’s not like the boat came anywhere else… from Europe. Enjoy being a numbered sheep in the USA such freedom and least you can make some other guy rich such opportunity.
    
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realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
What an excellent question. I think most of them view it as a distinction without a difference, they don’t care at all if an migrant is legal or illegal. I think they also are subscribing to the slippery slope fallacy, assuming that those who want to deport illegals also want to have citizens deported from the country.

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- karl_chungus@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s not a theory. The current Admin’s actions have caused Navajo citizens to be detained by ICE:
  
  www.facebook.com/…/1023169666512732/
  
  What reason does ICE have to detain them if they didn’t pick them up with the intent to deport them?
  
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  - realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    As the article you shared states:
    
    Despite possessing Certificates of Indian Blood (CIBs) and state-issued IDs, several individuals have been detained or questioned by ICE agents who do not recognize these documents as valid proof of citizenship.
    
    I am inclined to agree with the post and what the Navajo Nation Council is asking for:
    
    Navajo Nation Council Speaker Crystalyne Curley emphasized the immediate need for the Executive Branch to issue protocols for tribal members living off-reservation.
    
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- Alice@hilariouschaos.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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redut_nl@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Not a conservative myself but it is funny that a post like this is downvoted on a conservative forum. Lemmy is swamped with lefties 😁 Reddit ²

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- Kaboom@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s worse than reddit. The devs themselves are unironically communists. I’m not joking or exaggerating, they actually called themselves communists. lemmy.ml/post/55143
  
  I like the software and the libertarian bent, but my god the politics here are trash and very one-note outside of this sub.
  
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  - redut_nl@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Wow - that is pretty extreme. That doesn’t totally surprise me though - FOSS is also very leftwing and it seems to apply to most of the tech communities. Not sure why - maybe they see the whole world as an huge algorithm and that inequality is a bug that can an must be fixed (top down approach). Unfortunately the world isn’t predictable and human nature isn’t compatible with communism and only societies that thrive due to capitalism can absorb some socialism. I don’t know any poor society that used socialism to get itself out of poverty. It is always capitalism that does the trick.
    
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Alice@hilariouschaos.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Its a combination of Willful ignorance, cognitive dissonance, virtue signaling, and lastly, they know, they just don’t care.

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Quik@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Yes, though I wouldn’t necessarily say that that’s only a problem with progressives.

Immigration policy and procedures are relatively complex and the current “debate” on the topic is not very focused on enabling or supporting legal immigration (especially from conservatives).

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