Poll: What's the cross-over between fans of Trek and solarpunk?

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• data1701d@startrek.website ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think it depends. Overall, I think most of Star Trek isn’t solarpunk, but the version of earth depicted in it very much is.

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  • andrewrgross@slrpnk.net ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I generally agree, although the use of replicators is a point of departure.

    Solarpunk typically emphasizes degrowth and an end to scarcity that comes from a move away from endless consumption.

    It’s not a criticism. Just an artistic difference responding to the 60s vs the new century.

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• MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Isn’t the Venn diagram a circle?

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  • MelodiousFunk@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That was my thought as well.

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    • andrewrgross@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I think you replied to yourself…

      It’s not quite: a key feature of solarpunk is nature, and our relationship to it. Trek is definitely aligned in concept, but aside from specific episodes, our relationship with nature is not a central theme.

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• USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I would appreciate an explanation as to what solarpunk is.

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  • bishbosh@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I liked this video on it. Basically, a play on the ideas of cyberpunk, but rather than using grim art as a warning, it instead focuses on radical optimism and envisioning a world we should strive to create. Building off the the ideas of renewable power, hence the solar, it posits that technology used in the right way can bring us to a beautiful and healthy society, freed from the capitalist systems that are poisoning our environment and selves.

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    • MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Ya I’ll have some of that please.

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• mactan@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  trek is pretty posadist isn’t it? where solarpunk would rather not go there?

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  • data1701d@startrek.website ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I had no idea what Posadism was until you mentioned it. Looking at it, I think elements of it are coincidentally in there, but I don’t think that’s totally what it’s trying to convey.

    For one, Boseman, Montana definitely didn’t look that socialist, and yet Cochrane developed a warp drive; it was the new connections and widened view of the galaxy that facilitated the development of socialism. Sure, the Vulcans helped, but it was humans who had to change.

    Also, I feel like “aliens helping in revolution” is sort of antithetical to the concept of the Prime Directive.

    Overall, I think Star Trek is less about through ufologic socialism and more about peoples figuring out socialism for themselves; space and aliens are mostly just a plot device to explore.

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    • andrewrgross@slrpnk.net ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I would also say that in general, Star Trek seems to steer slightly around discussing the actions needed to proactively achieve their society. It’s an end point, and you can find some info here and there about how they got there, but it’s really treated as the result of a magical tech breakthrough that resolved class conflict with the wave of a hand.

      Anyway, solarpunk and Trek are definitely fellow travelers. But their tones aren’t identical.

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• bishbosh@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I think the realities of physics will make true interstellar travel hopeless, so to me solar punk as an aesthetic is the more real idea of humanities possible utopia, should one ever exist. With that, I think it also pretty strongly ties the art with action. These facts giving a more grounding for praxis than start trek.

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