Electric cars are bad for the environment

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• masterofballs@wolfballs.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  Building communities where you don't need a car would be ideal. Build them so they are bikeable to the grocery store. Or even allow golfcarts to the shop. Make as much food produced locally as possible. Unfortunately without a authoritarian government demanding it (and probably doing it wrong) that will only occur when scarcity occurs.

  IMO a sitting president could save lives, save the environment if he mandated that every HOA allows every house to have a chicken laying eggs, a goat to milk, and a apple/pear/orange/peach/fig tree (just pick one ore more it doesn't matter). And maybe even funded the tree planting or the chicken raising. People would need to travel less. If something happens and the food system gets broken it will hit people a lot less hard. Design houses with water collection systems so that rain provides some water. Apartment buildings the same thing.

  The decentralization of the food system would make things a lot better.

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  • wigglehard@wolfballs.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    Or they could Try Nikolai Tesla’s idea of using the core of the earth as energy like the magnetic pole or whatever magnetic fields

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    • masterofballs@wolfballs.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      I'll need to see it to believe it. If those things were real someone would have probably made one in their back yard by now.

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  • sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    The golf cart thing I think could be done without authoritarianism, just legalize city cars. Lots of people who can't drive or drive old crappy cars could get a brand new 2500 dollar electric city car that runs off of tiny batteries and putt around town with that. I am loathe to buy another whole full power car, but I'd be eyeing a city car pretty carefully. No gas, just something that'll get me to the supermarket and back? Sounds like a good deal to me.

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    • masterofballs@wolfballs.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Those are everywhere in china. One of the nice things about a country with little to no enforcement of regulations.

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• iamtanmay@wolfballs.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  Depends on how 'bad' is defined. Does it matter if Lithium in an Afghan desert sits under sand or as a battery in a car ? Water usage is red herring because its renewable unless you drain underground aquifers.

  Ignoring that, the headline should still be 'Batteries are bad'. Rest of the car is less intensive to build because electric motors are simple and servicing is not needed compared to the brutal work gas engines do.

  Why am I quibbling about this small detail ? Because there are electric vehicles without batteries that run under transmission lines like trains. They're efficient for predictable routes like freight or passenger buses. As long as electricity is generated by natural gas or wind/solar, its 'greener', though not 100% green.

  For personal vehicles, you are correct, batteries take so much energy to make, it will never be green.

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  • squashkin@wolfballs.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    maybe better batteries could be made, like ones that use compressed air

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    • iamtanmay@wolfballs.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      There's a best tool for every use case. For 'green' personal use auto, its best to use an old beater with ICE, rather than build new cars.

      Just the steel production for a bicycle renders it completely un-green.

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• Scruffy_Nerfherder@wolfballs.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  Meh, thos number seem like a lot of BS to me. Over all though I agree, electric cars aren't some green miracle. At best the make pollution easier to manage.

  That is itself would be wonderful if we had same adults I charge of things, but we don't.

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  • wigglehard@wolfballs.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    That giant wasteland crater speaks for itself though, plus think sbout where the batteries go when they die, we are so fucked with e cars

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• squashkin@wolfballs.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  "there are better ecofriendly sourcez"

  such as? what is the environmental impact of fossil fuels? how can we survive if hypothetically we run out of them?

  There's bikes and walking but they only take people so far

  you could have sustainable batteries like cars that run on compressed air

  maybe some better battery can be made than lithium?

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  • sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    I've heard very reasonable arguments for hydrogen, and the nice thing about hydrogen is it maintains many of the benefits of gasoline or diesel in that it's pumpable so if you need to drive a really long way you don't need to sit at chargers for half your life, and you don't need anything more than electricity and water to create as much as you want. Hypothetically, you could have a hydro dam and everything you need to produce hydrogen right there.

    The other thing that'd be nice about hydrogen as a fuel is unlike batteries which degrade over time, a hydrogen tank would presumably be able to hold the same amount of hydrogen over time so you wouldn't be swapping out parts constantly like you'd have to for a battery EV.

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• iamtanmay@wolfballs.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  Even something simple like a bicycle is not 'green', because it takes so much energy to make the damn steel you will never earn back the CO2 emissions.

  I don't buy into the climate 'crisis', and don't care much about CO2 emissions anyway. But like to read the numbers because I am a geek.

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