History should always be up for debate.
Do we also make it illegal to downplay the number of people killed by Stalin?
I don't like this personally
Submitted 2 years ago by masterofballs@wolfballs.com to freeforum@wolfballs.com
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xigoi@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
squashkin@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
another comment
I gave this topic a lot of thought, I was taught the official holocaust story. Then I questioned why nazis exist and listened to some holocaust "denial" which sounded persuasive. then I saw commies denying the holodomor tragedy in the same way. So, there's probably a little truth in denial or official stories I think with holocaust or holodomor. idk which specifically.
but this move is unfortunately purely political. a lot of jews are leftists, and leftists are supportive of minorities, and jews are a minority. so the holocaust seems to be a leftist tragedy. in contrast they deny the tragedies of communist deaths or abortion which are magnitudes higher. 6 million jews allegedly died in ww2 by mainstream numbers; 100 million by communists, and 60 million abortions I believe. clearly abortion and communists deaths are much worse and higher. but many on the left support communism, or socialism which has some likeness to communism, and they support abortion.
So again this move is political because they don't care about these worse tragedies that happened or are going on. The right cares about the holodomor but kind of supports free speech, so isn't for criminalizing denial of it. and there are probably plenty of jews not supportive of this move, but they are probably in the minority compared to the majority of leftist jews.
some jews not all politicize this issue. like nazis were against transgenderism. so if you're against transgenderism today, they might accuse you of being a nazi. guilt by association accusation. and if a nazi, you might be denying the holocaust and need to be punished. which is also why these kinds of laws can be bad.
nazism is an "extreme" conservativism as communism is an "extreme" leftism. or at least that's how I view it after seeing lots of internet nazis and commies today and comparing them to the other groups. each, commie or nazi, breaks from lesser leftism or conservativism, but has some overlap.
Scruffy_Nerfherder@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
(Why Nazis exist): I have seen that so often in history. "One day, for no reason absolutely whatever, the German people formed the Nazi party and slaughtered 500 gorrillion Jews."
The 1906 Atlanta Race Riot was sold in much the same way. One day out of the blue....
(Civilized) People want to be left alone and mind their own business. As we are finding out, it is difficult to get people up to do much of anything. When extremes form - it's because something is pushing it.
iamtanmay@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
Any kind of censorship under the guise of 'caring' has always been evil
charliebrownau@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
Only
- One Historical Event
- One War
- One Nation State
- One Ethnic people
- One Region
- One Political system is protected by "LAW" and punishment from any criticism, disagment or exposing the fraud/crimes/lies/double standards
If you refuse to go along with the 'mainstream' narrative that Events happened as we were told, No debunking, No disbelieving , no disagree and no criticism
Listen, Believe , Repeat
History so factual backed up with evidence, data, records and sound reasoning that NO ONE can question the official line
ZERO CRITICAL THINKING NEVER QUESTION
Know your place GOYIM
BTW its not just Canada , its over 20 nations and increasing but hey its the 'white' 'nazis' in power ... Yet being a 'nazi' is bad But International Commie, Marxist, Zionist and Anti White is totally acceptable and laws exist to exclude Whitey and displace/blame/hate and replace whitey
Its all STATISM Its all corruption Its all brainwashing its all control
( Taxation ) Its all taking money from working class and transferring it to single mothers, unemployed, disabled, useless and imported
Think about it Christians , Civnats and Kosher Conservatives
If Pro White people were actually in power Would LGBT, Feminism, Diversity, Multi Racialism, Central Banking actually exist at ALL in our white nations
Also men , how many times have we seen women outright LIE and face ZERO consequences by the state
Personal testimony cant be trusted
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sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 2 years ago
These guys are fucking morons.
Every single violation of basic human rights that they are pushing for right now, it's going to swing back and it's going to hit them. I hope Justin Trudeau and his billionaire buddies enjoy being poor, because don't worry! We're going to seize all of your billionaire buddies Bank accounts, we're going to silence all of your speech, we're going to do all these things that you're doing in the name of the greater good.
Absolutely disgusting gutter trash. You're going to end up dying in the gutter where you belong. And you'll cry about it, and no one will care because you brought it on yourself.
squashkin@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
whoops forgot one more thing
a ton of people are clueless about this issue, so it's possible in a few generations this legislation will be forgotten about
I say this based on a vid I saw of a jew reacting to random people being interviewed on the street being asked about their thoughts on the holocaust. a lot were ignorant on the issue. there are literal nazis growing in number today perhaps. or at least people skeptical of mainstream historical claims.
plus "my body, my choice" sentiment, so people will want to be free to believe what they believe best about historical claims. unless we have too many leftists pushing things like they have "vaccines".
mayonesa@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
plus “my body, my choice” sentiment, so people will want to be free to believe what they believe best about historical claims.
The end result of pluralism: all facts are arbitrary.
squashkin@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
yeah on normie social media a lot of people have been calling out the msm for running fake stories about ukraine (not sure if the mobile crematoriums are real, and they have reused pictures from past conflicts)
I wanted to but refrained from commenting that perhaps the same was true of past wars like WW2 and maybe there are some popular beliefs that are propaganda
with the Holocaust, it's been suggested less died, and due to disease and lack of supplies more than trying to simply kill Jews. Which sounds reasonable, Hitler to me it seems probably wanted to expel rather than kill them.
Then I see a lot of denial with the Holodomor genocide by Communists. Maybe that number was lower, and maybe some of it was less deliberate like the "Holocaust". I really don't know as I wasn't there.
I think a lot of people today do not wish for those deaths in either conflict, whether they were deliberate or not, and how many there were.
And I'd imagine people who suffered through such conflicts are supportive of the freedom to discuss what actually happened.
Such bills like this aren't really criminalizing "denial" so much as taking away the freedom to discuss what actually happened and make the government in to the judge of what happened. Can be dangerous to do this. Perhaps an "official fact" is false, and it becomes illegal to point that out.
I guess a question I have is about what the harm is in "denying" the facts. Calls to violence are already illegal. But sadly there is a mass tragedy going on worse than Holocaust or Holomodor by the numbers, the abortion pandemic. Denial of this is legal, and the violence is legally protected by law in many places. So it is strange to see the priorities or lack of them by lawmakers. Would be nice to see criminalizing abortion rather than restricting the ability to speak about a past mass tragedy.
mayonesa@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
My take is that Speer told it accurately: the Germans wanted to deport the Jews, then the British blocked them, so a Jewish slave labor program was born but the quality of labor was bad. Most Jews died in the camps from diarrhea owing to human filth and low quality of food, medicine, and accommodations. The Holocaust happened, but the six million, lampshades, soap, and gas chambers stories are all fantasy of a highly religious population prone to fantasy and numerology (I leave it as an exercise to the reader whether this refers to Jews or Christians).
masterofballs@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
This is pretty close to my view of it. I think it happened, but probably on a smaller scale and some of those dead were due to allies bombing supply chain lines and maybe even a few camps.
It's just like that night club shooter that killed like the most people in history in one shooting? no. The police rushed in, opened fire on the whole crowd and blamed all the dead on the one shooter. Stuff like that happens in war all the time.
I don't understand what is so offensive about those kind of positions. The US had Japanese in camps and it could have easily turned out similar.
dvergr91@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
(When it comes to the Holocaust) The whole story falls apart on its own due to a complete lack of logic. I don't trust the official story, because I have no reason to trust those who tell me this story.