Here’s a huge problem with the immigration debate in the US: illegal immigrants are being conflated with legal immigrants in almost every argument in favor of enabling illegal immigrants.
The only difference between legal and illegal immigrants are paperwork.
Would you say the same thing about people who drive with or without driver’s licenses? Or practice medicine with or without board certification?
There is nothing wrong with people seeking asylum. That is not ‘abusing the system’.
The Biden Administration invited people to flood to the country under a revised asylum system that’s created a six year long backlog of asylum cases. There is no reason that refugees from every other nation on earth should go to the US specifically or during this time period other than the President throwing open the doors to them.
They are not ‘bringing in crime’ or ‘abusing social services’. They are responsible for less crime per capita than US citizens and contribute far more to social programs than they take out.
Are legal immigrants making these contributions, or are illegal immigrants doing so? And if asylum seekers are contributing so much to local economies, then why is NYC sounding the alarm on how costly the current system is to the city? They’re slated to spend $12 billion on the problem over the next three years. Furthermore, Congress has found the current policies have cost over $150 billion, with some estimates going as high as $400 billion. We can’t sustain that kind of spending. Also, illegal immigrants categorically do bring in crime, by immigrating illegally.
The only problem with immigration is that illegal immigrants are exploited with a two-tier immigration system.
I agree that we should stop using illegal immigrants as a slave caste. That starts by enforcing the law and treating people who employ illegal immigrants as criminals themselves. But giving amnesty to everyone who breaks the law only incentivizes people to continue breaking the law. Thus, their illicit employees need to be removed, at least for the time being.
Not only would mass deportations result in concentration camps, which is overtly fascist,
Define “concentration camp.” They aren’t being rounded up to do forced labor and be executed like in Nazi Germany. Also, is Obama a fascist?
they would also cripple the US economy by removing that pool of over-exploited labor from US businesses.
An economy that would be crippled if slavery was abolished deserves to be crippled. These jobs should go to legal immigrants and citizens.
Denying asylum and mass deportations come from a white nativist sentiment.
I don’t care about “white nativism.” I care about the law, our ability to sustain ourselves as a nation, and with limiting security concerns related to bringing in millions of people whose identities can barely be verified at all. None of this has to do with the color of anyone’s skin.
Nor are mass deportations due to public opinion, legalizing illegal immigrants is far more popular than deportation.
The issue isn’t completely cut and dry. Even among people do support legalizing illegal immigrants, almost everyone insists on a background check and over half would require them to have a job.
Lovstuhagen@hilariouschaos.com 3 weeks ago
There is nothing wrong with legal immigrants, definitely.
However, illegal immigrants are all 100% guilty of a crime when they enter the country. Of course, it would be rather remarkable if we completely ignored that one crime and it turned out that, on average, they committed less crimes per capita than white Americans, which area good baseline since they are the majority and historic population of the country…
It would be absolutely brilliant if, excluding their illegal status, they committed less crimes than Asian Americans…
But as the legal hispanic popualtion is usually several times more likely than non-Hispanic white Americans to commit crime, it seems doubtful that their illegal counterparts are somehow outperforming them. I am also sure there are statistics which give us some idea of illegal immigrant crime rates, and there’s a reason you are not posting any of those.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Illegal immigrants are not illegal because they want to be. The issue is with the legalization process, which being artificially long to the point of years and the circumstances of seeking asylum attribute to illegal immigration. Deportation does not solve anything, legalization does.
Neither is crime inherent to any ‘race’ or ‘culture’ that is a completely racist idea that has no bases in reality. Crimes comes from poverty and is dramatically reduced when uplifting the material conditions, such as access to basic necessities and education. Deportations are not any solution.