Comment on Has anyone ever come up with what a Palestinian State would look like without wiping Israel of the map? If so have both sides ever been presented the offer? If not why?

• Keeponstalin@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You’re the one justifying the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, I’m the one advocating for equal rights. I don’t care about whatever mental gymnastics you use to justify it, ethnic cleansing is never acceptable nor justifiable. I’m interested and an advocate for actual solutions to the present day situation, you clearly aren’t.

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  • BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’re advocating for something that isn’t realistically possible, that neither side even wants, from the comfort of a country where you all but exterminated the locals and stole 99.9% of their land and now all you want is “equal rights”.

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    • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Zionism is antithetical to peace. Palestinians have been advocating for peace for generations. Whatever you think doesn’t change that reality.

      The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.

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      How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

      ‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

      One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

      Peace Process and Solution

      Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution ‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe One State Solution, Foreign Affairs Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place. - latimes.com/…/rivals-hamas-and-fatah-sign-a-decla…

      Historian Works on the History

      - Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha - The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha - A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe - The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi - The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe - The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim - The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe - The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy - 10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)

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