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GrymEdm@lemmy.world 3 days agoThe Proud Boys and other militias believe the exact same thing, just swap anti-fascist for anti-traitors who want to destroy America. You’re advocating for violence just like they are, and both extremist sides are POSITIVE they’re doing the right thing.
Not on the side of killing people here but one side wants to kill minorities and other groups while the other wants to kill people who want to kill minorities.
Would you say painting WWII Nazis as evil and fighting a war against them is the same as them invading Poland to subjugate the natives?
Would you say painting WWII Nazis as evil and fighting a war against them is the same as them invading Poland to subjugate the natives?
I wouldn’t say that, but I understand why you’d ask. The Nazis weren’t opposed by sending any civilian angry enough into Germany to shoot people they thought were fascists. When Germany invaded Poland, other countries declared war (although they several months before they actually engaged in combat.) In another comment I wrote why I think formal war with rules of war is different than vigilante killing. In a 2nd, I said that if it comes down to army vs. army civil war I’d say fight hard. In yet another, I told someone they were trying to be the WW2 Allies without the army or mandate.
Ah, so you aren’t opposed to killing fascists, you just want it to be done on the orders of a military.
Yes if it comes to that, and within the bounds of rules of war. Accepting surrender, treatment of POWs, avoiding civilian casualties, rules of engagement and so on. The nation isn’t there yet, and there are serious legal and administrative attempts being made to block the worst of Trump’s policies. But if the US does in fact have a civil war, I am cheering for those opposing fascists.
one side wants to kill minorities and other groups while the other wants to kill people who want to kill minorities.
Both sides want to kill millions, without trial, on the basis of perceived danger. There’s no moral high ground. No rules of war, no official oversight, just civilians murdering their countrymen in large numbers. Even the people pushing violence are pushing the idea that “if they want to kill then we’ll kill them first”.
Shapillon@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Fascists: I want systemic violence against anyone that isn’t a white cis het man.
Leftists: I want violence against people who advocate for systemic violence against marginalised groups.
Absolutely undistinguishable :p
GrymEdm@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Yeah, there are differences. It’s not like I support people like Fuentes. I’ve posted several times about him being a reprehensible bastard. But in many ways that matter there are serious similarities or even exact mirrors. Both:
I magically know who should die so I’m right. I’m righteously saving my country, so I don’t need checks and balances or the mandate of the population.
I don’t care if it escalates national violence, even starts a war and gets others killed - I have the right to make the choice that forces consequences on others.
Good people are going to cheer, bad people are going to live in fear and give up their wicked ways, and I’m going to be a hero.
Abandon peaceful, legal options. It doesn’t matter if multiple challenges to Trump are happening at all levels of government, my way is better and we don’t even need to wait.
I’m powerful enough/my side is that the bad guys will die and we’ll win. I’m so scary and capable, you don’t even know.
I’m going to talk as if I’m a big scary monster of a combatant, and actually sit on my ass posting “fuck them” and telling other people to kill. <The doxing thread was hilarious before it got taken down. People were all “they’re not near me” and “I hope someone else does it”. Buddy, they’re the guy who talks shit at the bar and stalls until the bouncer arrives then tells everyone they’re lucky. If I was wrong they’d be doing something (and ruining/ending a lot of lives in the process), not talking BS on Lemmy. I’m not telling people to actually act, I’m saying I don’t need to worry about 99.999% of the big tough internet men doing so. The murder fetishists in this thread are all hoping if the message reaches thousands, one mentally unstable murderer will assassinate Fuentes for them so they can cheer from the bleachers without consequences.>