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Comment on US Elections question: Bernie Sanders said that the Democrats abandoned the working class, and the working class abandoned them. How is this true?

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grue@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

The lip service given in supporting unions was belied by how Biden fucked over the railroad workers.

This is a lie that has been repeated time and time again. He fast followed the end of the strike with helping the workers get exactly what they wanted. He aided their negotiations AND got our supply lines back on line.

Nope, I did my homework on that one before posting it. From en.wikipedia.org/…/2022_United_States_railroad_la… :

Early on September 15, Biden announced a deal had been reached to prevent a strike, including an immediate 14% wage increase, but only one day of paid leave per year rather than the 15 days of paid sick leave unions wanted. … On December 1, the Senate passed the tentative agreement with only 1 day of sick leave. President Joe Biden signed the legislation into law on December 2. The Biden administration’s intervention in the dispute was condemned by over 500 labor historians in an open letter to Joe Biden and Secretary of Labor Marty Walsh.

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jj122@lemmings.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I get what you are saying but it still isn’t the complete story. Yes he didn’t let them shut down a major pillar of our economy and at that time forced them to take an agreement that was basically everything they wanted except for off time. But his admin spent the months after getting those concessions from the railroads. The IBEW even thanked the admin for their work. He supported many other labor unions right to strike without interference.

www.ibew.org/media-center/…/230620_IBEWandPaid

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- grue@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Still less than half the sick days the workers originally demanded, and deserved.
  
  The damage to Biden’s reputation re: supporting the working class was already done.
  
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  - jj122@lemmings.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Yep you’re wrong on 1. “The Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employes Division of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters had asked railroads for seven days paid sick leave following the rejection of its contract earlier this month. Another union, the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, rejected its contract in September in respect of other unions negotiating for additional benefits, though eventually voted to ratify”
    
    www.supplychaindive.com/news/…/635078/
    
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Wrench@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Well, you failed your homework assignment, then.

Further down your own Wikipedia article

In February 2023, CSX announced a deal to provide four days of paid sick leave annually, plus the option of converting three personal days into additional paid sick time with two unions.

Citation from your own linked article

Which also clearly states that the original agreement that included 7 days was shot down by Republican senators, which is why the 1 sick day had to be the first iteration. And also includes details on how Biden’s administration continuing pressure on the railroad companies that ultimately yielded 7 sick days for the majority of railroad union workers by half a year later.

But yeah, keep intentionally misrepresenting recent history. It helped elect the guy who is so anti worker that he habitually stuffs his own workers of overtime, or refuses to pay them at all.

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- grue@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  7 isn’t 15, which is what the workers were initially going to strike for (and deserved).
  
  But yeah, keep intentionally misrepresenting recent history. It helped elect the guy who is so anti worker that he habitually stiffs his own workers of overtime, or refuses to pay them at all.
  
  What in the time travel bullshit is this? You do understand that being honest about Biden’s fuck-ups now can’t do any more damage – and moreover, is necessary if there’s any hope to do better next time – right? If you’re going to accuse me of saying this stuff previously (when it would’ve been damaging), you’d better fucking bring receipts. Check my comment history. I’ll wait. And then you can fucking apologize!
  
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  - Wrench@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    7 isn’t 15, which is what the workers were initially going to strike for (and deserved).
    
    Have you ever heard of negotiating? You don’t start at the price you’d be happy with. The Unions have stated they’re happy with the result, why aren’t you?
    
    You do understand that being honest about Biden’s fuck-ups now can’t do any more damage
    
    What fuck up? Biden averted a major breakdown in supply chain, AND got the workers what they wanted. That’s a win, despite the repeated attempts at framing it as a failure.
    
    And no, I’m not going to spend a day digging through your history. If you’re repeating this gross misrepresentation of facts now, chances are high that you have before.
    
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    grue@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    What fuck up? Biden averted a major breakdown in supply chain, AND got the workers what they wanted. That’s a win, despite the repeated attempts at framing it as a failure.
    
    What part of “it, and shit like it, cost Harris the election” do you not understand?
    
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