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• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We’ve had this argument like twice already.

  and you still haven’t seemed to grasp the lack of evidence for your claim.

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• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Do I need to send you university debate level arguments

  i’m not interested in debate. i’m interested in provable claims.

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  • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Should I use another commodity that saw reduced demand, which caused the supply to dwindle? Asbesthos? Does that work? Maybe cigarrettes?

    What kind of proof do you want and I’ll go find it for you how’s that.

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/tobacco-production?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What kind of proof do you want and I’ll go find it for you how’s that.

      i’d like proof of a causal mechanism by which choosing to buy beans has caused meat production to decline. i don’t think you can find any such causal mechanism.

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      what you’re presenting is a classic post hoc ergo propter hoc. both of those declined in production following the introduction of color television as well. we can’t very well say that color caused a reduced production. in fact, you haven’t actually presented any evidence that less asbethos or cigarettes are being produced.

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      • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5877076/

        ourworldindata.org/grapher/tobacco-production?tab…

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• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  your graph would go up quicker if all vegetarians and vegans went back to eating meat,

  as i can’t prove a counterfactual, i wouldn’t make any such claim. i have no reason to believe that production could increase any faster.

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  • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mean I can’t convince you that demand affects supply if you simply don’t think they are related.

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      i think supply creates its own demand, but i don’t believe there is any causal mechanism by which choosing to buy something causes more of it to be produced, nor that production causes others to purchase it.

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      • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        How can supply create demand while saying production doesnt cause demand in the same paragraph?

        Do you have some separate definition for supply and production I’m missing?

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• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I never claimed that me being a vegan would end animal suffering.

  you did say it would reduce it, but all the evidence is that is not true.

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  • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You think, that I think, me personally being vegan will be the tipping point that causes a down trend in your graph?

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      i’m saying if what you’re claiming is true, then it would follow that the growth of the industry would stop and reverse.

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      • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There aren’t enough people eating less meat yet? I don’t think a problem of scale makes it futile. You are just assuming it would never grow big enough to affect the line.

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