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commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month agoLess animals suffering is a plus too but you could leave it out and still come to the conclusion that there is something behind plant based and partially plant based diets.
this is a nonsequitur. my guess is you have tried plant based diet, and the amount of animal slaughter has only increased:
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
We’ve had this argument like twice already.
I never claimed that me being a vegan would end animal suffering.
If you would admit that the line on your graph would go up quicker if all vegetarians and vegans went back to eating meat, then you have to also admit it would go up slower if more people went vegan, vegetarian, or simply ate 25% less meat than they normally do.
You must be able to see the math there? Do I need to send you university debate level arguments? I can find them for you if you want.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
and you still haven’t seemed to grasp the lack of evidence for your claim.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
i’m not interested in debate. i’m interested in provable claims.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Should I use another commodity that saw reduced demand, which caused the supply to dwindle? Asbesthos? Does that work? Maybe cigarrettes?
What kind of proof do you want and I’ll go find it for you how’s that.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/tobacco-production?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
i’d like proof of a causal mechanism by which choosing to buy beans has caused meat production to decline. i don’t think you can find any such causal mechanism.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
what you’re presenting is a classic post hoc ergo propter hoc. both of those declined in production following the introduction of color television as well. we can’t very well say that color caused a reduced production. in fact, you haven’t actually presented any evidence that less asbethos or cigarettes are being produced.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
as i can’t prove a counterfactual, i wouldn’t make any such claim. i have no reason to believe that production could increase any faster.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I mean I can’t convince you that demand affects supply if you simply don’t think they are related.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
i think supply creates its own demand, but i don’t believe there is any causal mechanism by which choosing to buy something causes more of it to be produced, nor that production causes others to purchase it.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
you did say it would reduce it, but all the evidence is that is not true.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
You think, that I think, me personally being vegan will be the tipping point that causes a down trend in your graph?
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
i’m saying if what you’re claiming is true, then it would follow that the growth of the industry would stop and reverse.