Comment on Absolutely nothing happened June 1989
shroomato@lemmy.world 1 week agoThere’s no such thing as “true socialism,” that’s part of the point of the article.
Sure, but it provided a reason why the previous attempts of it failed, and in my opinion it’s only a part of the equation.
Why do you think Socialism cares about thinfs like self-serving people?
Socialism can not care, as it’s is not a conscious entity. Socialism can only “care” about whatever the people that are trying to implement it care about. And it failed every time in large part, IMO, because people didn’t care about things like self-serving people.
Not as gospel, sure, but they have been proven correct.
Proven correct by whom? Soviet Union which fell apart? North Korea that haven’t collapsed yet only because it’s propped by China? China which had Mao starve tens of millions people to death and is currently successful only because it’s full blown capitalist and “communist” in name only?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
No, AES worked. It provided a reason why AES states weren’t and aren’t perfect paradises that only exist in imagination.
Socialism works, it just isn’t a magical wonderland. That’s the point.
USSR did work. PRC does work as well, and is Socialist, not Capitalist. Read Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism and Blackshirts and Reds Cuba works, Vietnam works, Laos works too.
Mao didn’t “starve a bunch of people,” Mao ended famines in one of the poorest countries in the world, something Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism proves.
shroomato@lemmy.world 1 week ago
If it worked we’d still have Soviet Union today.
We seem to have different definitions of what “working” means. What I’ve got from the article, which glosses over the inconvenient facts (like how much of China’s success can be attributed to western capitalists moving all of their manufacturing to China), is that you can do whatever the fuck you want and still call it socialism. And your fans will believe you, because they don’t care to look deeper beneath the label. The party line trumps all.
So what is the Great Chinese Famine then? Another inconvenient fact in the sea of inconvenient facts that you chose to close your eyes to? Do you think that lying to yourself and everyone else about historical facts like this one gives you a moral high ground over Nazi sympathizers who deny holocaust?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
Sorry, can’t respond here, the moderators here remove comments with facts that don’t fit their anti-Marxist narrarive. I never denied that the Great Chinese Famine existed either.
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