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But part of the problem with Insurrection was that it wasn’t ambitious enough compared to the “bad” TOS movies.

TMP is spacious and filled with great visuals; it isn’t a plot that would work as an episode.

The Search for Spock is the middle of a great trilogy and sets up a personal grudge for Kirk that pays off in Undiscovered Country. The movie pushed characters along; the closest in Insurrection is the eventual marriage of Riker and Troi but it doesn’t play out in the movies.

The Final Frontier has Kirk yell “What does God need with a starship”.

Insurrection feels lacking in ambition.

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startrekexplained@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

Insurrection feels lacking in ambition.

I just realized it was written by Michael Piller, the guy who saved TNG and created DS9. So kinda weird the one Trek movie he wrote was so bland and forgettable. And it was directed by Jonathon Frakes, who is a great director IMO so even more bizarre.

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- transwarp@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  He wrote a book about making it. The section on studio interference implies that it was all egregious, but it lists Paramount trying to fix most of the problems that were still in the final film.
  
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  - startrekexplained@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I’ll have to read it
    
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Kahlenar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I don’t know I think the motion picture is exactly what an episode of Voyager feels like. A strange anomaly shows up they can’t do anything about it and all over it and figure it out the end.

I think that saying insurrection is not ambitious enough sort of is exactly my point about appreciating it more now that I’ve gotten older. It wasn’t a phasers first story it wasn’t a horror story it was a story of personal reflection and juxtaposition of one’s own values. And you cannot discount the ‘how many people’ exchange. Peak Picard just like line drawn here. And I think the biggest thing for me is that until the Trek resurgence I always assumed that Picard would retire and go live with the Baku.

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- HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Plot wise, maybe. However, TMP looks and feels like a movie.
  
  In contrast, there really isn’t that much jumping out of Insurrection that feels cinematic.
  
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