Comment on My thoughts on Hexbear. Posting as the megathread was locked.

• Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think I have made it pretty clear that while I condemn Zenz fatuous remarks on Nazis, I still believe that his observations about Xinjiang are not necessarily incorrect. However, numerous Hexbears gripped on to this point and repeatedly attacked and slandered me for defending Nazi apologia or outright claiming that I am a Nazi apologist.

  I did not defend Nazi apologia or Nazi apologists.

  They are literally lying to you. They are still defending a modern Nazi. By defending any of Zenz views on non-white people they are by definition doing Nazi apologia. The problem lies in that they had this pointed out and doubled down. I have plenty of critiques on China that aren’t really relevant here, because my opinion of China isn’t really on trial here. I am mostly concerned with the specific arguments and angle this user is coming at this with.

  Much in the same way that there is a difference between someone criticizing George Soros for being a capitalist vs. Nazis who hate him because he is Jewish and wealthy.

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  • Zeus@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    nakoichi, i don’t care. i, too, read the post. i’m not taking sides in an argument between you and randint: i’m saying that i like hexbear and i dont’t want to defed them, and if randint doesn’t like you i’m advising him in how not to get drawn into an argument

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  • GarbageShoot@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think your conclusion is right but I think a more sound reasoning is that Zenz is plainly a christofascist and randint is defending Zenz by trying to argue that the Nazi sympathizing doesn’t influence the validity of other geopolitical claims. That definitionally makes him a fascist apologist.

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• randint@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Thanks for the suggestion. I actually have been considering blocking that user.

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  • Zeus@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    yeah don’t consider it. maybe it’s just me being influenced by tumblr cultr, but 1) he won’t know, 2) there’s no point in arguing with someone if neither of you are going to change the other’s mind, 3) it harms no-one. just block anyone you don’t want to talk to

    i’ll admit i almost never blocked anyone on reddit, but there were so many people it was kind of useless. here it actually can make a difference to your experience, i think

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    • GarbageShoot@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I appreciate your dedication to being constructive about things

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    • randint@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thanks. I just blocked them, along with the person who told me to post dick pics (as screenshotted in my edit to the post)

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    • Serinus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Blocking doesn’t solve the problem. The effect on OP is less important than the effect on others.

      They’re both trying to intimate to prevent posting they don’t like and they’re trying create a false “consensus” that serves to spread propaganda. They do this largely through the number of replies and not through any kind of substantive argument.

      It’s a propaganda instance using clear propaganda techniques and should be blocked. We can be open to alternative “ideas” if they don’t include the cheap influence techniques.

      The instance should be defederated.

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