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squashkin@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
yeah on normie social media a lot of people have been calling out the msm for running fake stories about ukraine (not sure if the mobile crematoriums are real, and they have reused pictures from past conflicts)
I wanted to but refrained from commenting that perhaps the same was true of past wars like WW2 and maybe there are some popular beliefs that are propaganda
with the Holocaust, it's been suggested less died, and due to disease and lack of supplies more than trying to simply kill Jews. Which sounds reasonable, Hitler to me it seems probably wanted to expel rather than kill them.
Then I see a lot of denial with the Holodomor genocide by Communists. Maybe that number was lower, and maybe some of it was less deliberate like the "Holocaust". I really don't know as I wasn't there.
I think a lot of people today do not wish for those deaths in either conflict, whether they were deliberate or not, and how many there were.
And I'd imagine people who suffered through such conflicts are supportive of the freedom to discuss what actually happened.
Such bills like this aren't really criminalizing "denial" so much as taking away the freedom to discuss what actually happened and make the government in to the judge of what happened. Can be dangerous to do this. Perhaps an "official fact" is false, and it becomes illegal to point that out.
I guess a question I have is about what the harm is in "denying" the facts. Calls to violence are already illegal. But sadly there is a mass tragedy going on worse than Holocaust or Holomodor by the numbers, the abortion pandemic. Denial of this is legal, and the violence is legally protected by law in many places. So it is strange to see the priorities or lack of them by lawmakers. Would be nice to see criminalizing abortion rather than restricting the ability to speak about a past mass tragedy.
mayonesa@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
My take is that Speer told it accurately: the Germans wanted to deport the Jews, then the British blocked them, so a Jewish slave labor program was born but the quality of labor was bad. Most Jews died in the camps from diarrhea owing to human filth and low quality of food, medicine, and accommodations. The Holocaust happened, but the six million, lampshades, soap, and gas chambers stories are all fantasy of a highly religious population prone to fantasy and numerology (I leave it as an exercise to the reader whether this refers to Jews or Christians).
masterofballs@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
This is pretty close to my view of it. I think it happened, but probably on a smaller scale and some of those dead were due to allies bombing supply chain lines and maybe even a few camps.
It's just like that night club shooter that killed like the most people in history in one shooting? no. The police rushed in, opened fire on the whole crowd and blamed all the dead on the one shooter. Stuff like that happens in war all the time.
I don't understand what is so offensive about those kind of positions. The US had Japanese in camps and it could have easily turned out similar.
mayonesa@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
The Holocaust is the excuse used for diversity. If it falls, so does diversity, since the Holocaust allows us to blame Whites for the failure of diversity and not blame diversity itself (which always sucks, no matter who is involved). Lots of us have sympathy for the Jewish victims of the war, but at the most extreme estimate they were under 10% of the dead.
masterofballs@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
I don't mind diversity and living in diverse areas, I enjoy different cultures and learning languages. I don't like anti white racism which is what diversity often really means when applied in business and educational settings. Nor do I like being invaded by competing religions that want to implement religious laws instead of actually integrate. I don't know that there is a link between diversity and WW2. And There are other higher priority problems I would rather apply my thinking to. Like censorship. That is something I have the power to change and that would benefit all of man kind.