We’ve been over this, remember?
Abraham Lincoln himself said the slavers called themselves Conservatives. You want to pretend like the great realignment didn’t happen, because facts are inconvenient to the narrative you find useful.
I know reactionaries are anti-intillectuals, but the reading assignment was pretty short.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Lincoln was a conservative himself. He described himself as a conservative and historians Label him as one. In the speech you cited, he was speaking as a conservative to other conservatives.
Democrats owned slaves. Democrats still want to own slaves.
Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Ending slavery is not a conservative position by definition. Conservatism means continuing the system that is currently in place and accepted.
amerika@annihilation.social 2 months ago
Not correct. Conservatism aims for the eternal. Our system is feudalism, which chattel slavery replaced.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Ending slavery is a conservative value. Since we believe all men are equal, slavery by default insults that position.
amerika@annihilation.social 2 months ago
We do not believe anything of that nature.
Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Are you sure you’re a conservative? Most conservative views are insulting. But back in real life, it was a deeply ingrained institution at the time.
LookBehindYouNowAndThen@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Conservatives did not consider Lincoln a conservative. They considered a revolutionary. You’re lying.
amerika@annihilation.social 3 months ago
By definition, the Radical Republicans were progressives.
Back then it had a lot more to do with industry than Communism.
Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Your profile says you’re a conservative and a fascist? @neuromancer said before they’re incompatible, and he’s a conservative.
He also says Lincoln was a conservative.
Why do you both say the opposite? Is conservatism so meaningless that such fundamental differences are just ignored?
Why do you think conservatives deny that fascists are part of their movement when they clearly are?
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 3 months ago
I get you don’t read well but see how Lincoln uses the word we. It’s including himself. Lincoln was a conservative. He was a Republican.
Lincoln was not a progressive.
LookBehindYouNowAndThen@lemmy.world 3 months ago
He also used other pronouns.
He’s pointing out that conservatism as an ideology is only about preserving ones status in relation to others by systematic oppression.
It’s pretty rich for you to act like you’re correcting me when you’re wrong in your face.
But, like Lincoln’s speech shows, conservatism lies about what it really is: reactionary bullshit. Hey, just like you’re doing now!
amerika@annihilation.social 3 months ago
Democrats were conservative back then.