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Someone that actually cares about left-wing politics cares a lot more about the outcomes

Yes, that’s why I recommended The Jakarta Method, it details exactly what the outcome looks like when the left doesn’t repress the right and instead lets the sabotage and organize. It’s really an important book because you can see echos of the methods in South Korea under the dictatorship, Taiwan during the white terror, Pinochet’s Chile, Uruguay even before the '73 coup, etc.

they proved they were no better than the capitalists they despise so much.

If you believe this, you do not know the scale and details of capitalist repression.

utopia

Literally no Marxist would call any AES project Utopian, except as a pejorative.

Here’s a pamphlet differentiating Utopian and Scientific Socialism It’s not an easy read due to being from 1880.

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FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
I know what the outcomes look like when the “left” represses the right and everybody else. And your failure to see how undesirable those outcomes may be to leftists around the world is precisely the beef we have against Lemmygrad, Nazbear and tankies in general. You do not represent us, and we’ll never be allies. Even worse, you guys actively sabotage leftism by keeping red-scare era scarecrows alive. I’m glad you’re such an insignificant minority that we can contain, to be quite frank. The tankie problem used to be way worse on Lemmy less than a year ago.

I know my local revolutionnary/communist party, despite being leninist, is fiercely anti-Stalin, for instance. The fixation on defending totalitarianism is frankly bizarre.

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- Diva@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  I know my local revolutionnary/communist party, despite being leninist, is fiercely anti-Stalin, for instance. The fixation on defending totalitarianism is frankly bizarre.
  
  You sound like you’re taking about trotskyists, who have been the main ones keeping the old communist scarecrows alive on the left
  
  I remember going to one of my local groups anti-fascism reading years back and it was mostly a bunch of white people rambling about how evil Stalin was.
  
  By comparison the student maoists I’ve known have way more nuanced opinions on Stalin and actually do community and propaganda work rather than selling newspapers
  
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  - FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Well, you’re right they do sell newspapers. Their first issue was about rehabilitating Lenin, so I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss them as Trotskyists.
    
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    Diva@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    That’s literally what every trot org does, they sing Lenins praises, while continuing to bicker about factional infighting from close to a hundred years ago.
    
    I have family members who were (forcibly) internally resettled in the USSR who hold less of a grudge against Stalin than some American trots I’ve encountered.
    
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