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alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 months agothe end doesn’t justify the means
Suppression of the right were necessary, however the relative freedom given to locals to carry it out resulted in people using it to settle old scores or non-ideological people to advance politically within the party. While dekulization enabled them, those actions were orthogonal (and actually hindered) the aims of dekulization.
Whether that can be labeled
It’s […] vital to denounce them if you consider yourself a leftist.
We had that struggle back when Kruschev sent the tanks into Hungary and every western leftist org was falling over each other to denounce the USSR. Meanwhile nazis were being put in charge of police forces in South America to do crimes against humanity against indigenous and communist elements and hundreds of thousands were being massacred in South Korea.
Turns out the tankies were right. Denouncing the enemies of the state you live in just serves to carry water for imperialism.
FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
By using the kind of the repression they used on the public, they proved they were no better than the capitalists they despise so much.
Someone that actually cares about left-wing politics cares a lot more about the outcomes than which faction comes ahead. Politics aren’t a game of Risk. Actions have consequences, and humanity as a whole loses when innocents get killed by brainwashed idiots.
If stalinist Russia is what utopia is supposed to be, I’m not interested, thank you.
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Yes, that’s why I recommended The Jakarta Method, it details exactly what the outcome looks like when the left doesn’t repress the right and instead lets the sabotage and organize. It’s really an important book because you can see echos of the methods in South Korea under the dictatorship, Taiwan during the white terror, Pinochet’s Chile, Uruguay even before the '73 coup, etc.
If you believe this, you do not know the scale and details of capitalist repression.
Literally no Marxist would call any AES project Utopian, except as a pejorative.
Here’s a pamphlet differentiating Utopian and Scientific Socialism It’s not an easy read due to being from 1880.
FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I know what the outcomes look like when the “left” represses the right and everybody else. And your failure to see how undesirable those outcomes may be to leftists around the world is precisely the beef we have against Lemmygrad, Nazbear and tankies in general. You do not represent us, and we’ll never be allies. Even worse, you guys actively sabotage leftism by keeping red-scare era scarecrows alive. I’m glad you’re such an insignificant minority that we can contain, to be quite frank. The tankie problem used to be way worse on Lemmy less than a year ago.
I know my local revolutionnary/communist party, despite being leninist, is fiercely anti-Stalin, for instance. The fixation on defending totalitarianism is frankly bizarre.
Diva@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
You sound like you’re taking about trotskyists, who have been the main ones keeping the old communist scarecrows alive on the left
I remember going to one of my local groups anti-fascism reading years back and it was mostly a bunch of white people rambling about how evil Stalin was.
By comparison the student maoists I’ve known have way more nuanced opinions on Stalin and actually do community and propaganda work rather than selling newspapers