School is not work. Work is compensated. Work is voluntary. School is neither.
Don’t put personal shit on work devices. This is pretty basic.
t3rmit3@beehaw.org 1 month ago
drwho@beehaw.org 1 month ago
Not all of these kids have any other computer.
PotentiallyApricots@beehaw.org 1 month ago
Kids going to school cannot reasonably be expected to have the knowledge, forethought, or ability to protect themselves from privacy violations. They lack the rights, info and social power to meaningfully do anything about this. That’s why it’s exploitative and harmful.
TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Sooo schools should just provide devices to kids with no monitoring at all?
There shouldn’t be an expectation of privacy on school/company provided devices, that isn’t how it works literally anywhere. It’s on the parents to teach their children not to use the device for personal reasons.
Ideally the school machines should be limited to only allowing coursework and limited messaging between classmates and teachers, it’s a tool not a toy.
Idk I just can’t get upset about this. Kids and privacy is kind of a tough one to begin with, I personally think kids shouldn’t have unregulated access to communication devices at all until like 14-15, maybe.
Vodulas@beehaw.org 1 month ago
Yes. There are tons of enterprise tools to lock devices to certain activities. Surveillance is not necessary and will be used to violate privacy, and I am not talking about just on device communication. Remember when companies were caught using their employees cameras without any indication on the device? The suspected benefits of surveillance is not worth the potential harm.
TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 month ago
My company exclusively deploys machines with physical coverings for the camera and hardware disconnects for the mics.
PotentiallyApricots@beehaw.org 1 month ago
An issue here for me is that the kids can’t op out. Their guardians aren’t the ones checking up on their digital behavior, it’s an ai system owned by a company on a device they are forced or heavily pressured to use by a school district. That’s just too much of a power imbalance for an informed decision to my mind, even if the user in question were an adult. Kids are even more vulnerable. I do not think it is a binary option between no supervision and complete surveillance. We have to find ways to address potential issues that uphold the humanity of all the humans involved. This seems to me like a bad but also very ineffective way to meet either goal.
TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 month ago
We just fundamentally disagree on what rights someone is afforded on a company provided devices. They can’t opt out because obviously not, you don’t get to just opt out of information security policies.
it would be a different beast if the school didn’t allow you access coursework on a personal machine without installing their bullshit, thats a huge issue.