Comment on Australia's internet watchdog says she received "death threats" and that her children were doxxed after she was targeted by Elon Musk for attempting to regulate Xitter

fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• astro_ray@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The stabbing was literally live streamed and they were trying to block a very graphic footage to be viral on Twitter. I would have blocked the instance if any fediverse instance didn't remove such a video from their platform.

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  • CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    And that’d be reasonable for you to do. However, having a network choose to remove something, or cut ties with servers in the network that don’t in an attempt to persuade them to remove that thing, isn’t exactly the same as a government ordering a thing be removed. The former doesn’t give much avenue for a malicious actor to suppress something that isn’t in their interest, because they can hardly control the collective actions of users on the network, but the latter does by creating a single point of decision making on the network’s content from the outside. Not that the motivations in wanting that video gone were bad, but there is an element of risk to making it possible for a government entity to remove something from a social network, even if the thing they want gone this time is something that really shouldn’t be there.

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• todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I suspect that this was something of a test case, with the regulator flexing their censorship muscle, and I’m glad it didn’t work out.

  This was a POV stabbing video that people spread around to glorify violence. It’s in the same category as beheading videos.

  America may have decided that child porn is the only media exception to free speech, but other more sane countries draw the line a little bit more broadly to include all forms of extremely violent crime filmed for to be glorified, including things like murder, attempted murder, torture, and the rape of adults.

  If you want to operate a business in places like Australia or New Zealand, you cannot be distributing violent gore videos within their borders.

  I hope they revisit this as X users are pretty routinely celebrating things like the Christchurch shooting and other violent extremist incidents. Sometimes censorship makes sense, and when people are antagonistically spreading videos of people being maimed and killed, the “free speech” argument absolutely doesn’t fucking cut it.

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  • fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It’s complex and I don’t have the answers. My comment is merely hilighting the conflict between these 2 ideals… governments shouldn’t whether or not specific content is ok, but companies shouldn’t provide content which is clearly unacceptable.

    If xitter didn’t provide that content the government wouldn’t have to intervene.

    If the government does intervene it reduces the barrier for them to intervene in future.

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    • GreatDong3000@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Governments shouldn’t [?] whether or not specific content is ok

      Yes they should.

      Idk why do people act as if online content is detached from real life. Governments decide what type of content/things are ok irl all the time, literally laws are deciding what is ok for you to do and show in real life all the time, everywhere, in all aspects of life. Why do you think online content is untouchable?

      In most countries going out and showing your penis in public will land you in jail, why is the government deciding this is inappropriate “content” to be in public? It is just an example out of… thousands.

      What do you think would happen if you set up a huge screen on a public square irl and started playing real murder videos that happened recently to people from your own country? Do you think people would see your huge screen showing actual muders and not call the cops on you? Do you think this behaviour would not destroy your life, maybe land you in jail or get you a huge fine, get you lawuits from the victims’ families (who were real people on your videos) that you would 100% lose?

      If you think governments shouldn’t decide what type of content is ok to be shared public on social media, I invite you to download a collection of gore videos and set up a huge screen out on the streets and see how long you manage to be showing this in public before it lands you in trouble.

      You wouldn’t do it and I bet you know damn right that you getting in trouble for this is correct. Why is public social media different? Online = ethereal world where rules don’t matter?

      Come on dude, online content is not detached from real life.

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      • fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Sure mate.

        You’re suggesting that showing videos in a town square is the same as posting in Twitter? They’re not the same, obviously.

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    • koper@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I don’t see how this is so difficult. Given the choice between a narcissistic billionaire or an independent, accountable government commission that’s bound by the rule of law, I’ll choose the latter every time.

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• TassieTosser@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The hypocrite removes videos and other content at the behest of his other authoritarian buddies. Like in Turkey. If you ask me, safety should’ve just blocked and banned twitter from Australia.

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  • Grimpen@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Pretty much. Musk is far from a free speech absolutist as he proclaimed himself to be. I would go further and say he’s substantially worse, unpredictable and inconsistent in free speech matters.

    Old Twitter would hardly be a true paragon of free expression, but they were at least relatively transparent. Good luck getting any answers from new Xitter or any consistency.

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