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• PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  No, I find socialism and markets to be a cpaitalist compromise that still breeds wasteful middlemen. More regulated middlemen, but still.

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  • Zyansheep@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’ve never heard of communism being an economic framework before, I thought it just meant a system without capitalism or a state. Do you have something short I could read about communism being an economic framework?

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Assuming you’re genuinely asking, Communism isn’t so much a “status” as it is a strategy for reaching the famous “Stateless, Classlesd, Moneyless society” it is often shorthanded as. It involves smashing the existing state, and replacing it with a state-as-non-state, ie a form designed to wither away once global class antagonisms are made redundant.

      That sounds like nonsense without reading theory, unfortunately, but if you want something short, Marx’s Critique of the Gotha Programme goes over what a transition to Communism may look like. Lenin’s The State and Revolution also goes over what that looks like, it’s roughly a quarter Marx and Engels quotes and he analyzes how Marx and Engels changed their views after the Paris Commune.

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• BlucifersVeinyAnus@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  If you don’t understand socialism, sure.

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• Smokeless7048@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Thats… kind of the opposite of socialism. Socialism, at least the ideal form, is when the ‘workers hold the means of production’, with no figure heads. This is closer to authoritarianism, with a charismatic leader commanding people to do things.

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  • PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    See this just reads as a complete misunderstanding of what communism is. The word Communism is derived from the word Commune, in which there is traditionally no standard power structure. Too much red scare propaganda. To me of the most prevalent feelings of authoritarianism in my life has been the boss/underling dynamic in the workplace under capitalism.

    I’m pro communist economics and pro democratic governance

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    • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Nothing you’ve said seems objectionable, I can’t imagine what set them off.

      Do you consider the party apparatus of say, Cuba, where every position is elected and has instant recall, and their last constitutional referendum passed with 90%+ approval, to be democratic?

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      • PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I would definitely want more parties in Cuba on the governance side. One party is ripe for abuse. Generally the more the marrier.

        Right now I think thier government is too large. Large isn’t necessarily bad, but a government should only IMO be as large as it needs to be to help its population. Of course on a political compass, I’m more on the libertarian end in terms of governance.

        I think the economics of Cuba would be better if the US would stop senseless embargo.

        Again, ideally we want strong communist economic and social fabric AND a thriving democracy to pick leadership. I think they are strughling on the latter.

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    • Smokeless7048@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’m not sure if you are saying what i said (that someone in charge sending his minions to harass someone is closer to authoritarianism), or him.

      I definitely should have used the word “communism” in my sentence, but since he used socialism, i didn’t want to change the subject from socialism to communism.

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      • PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Hey guys, how did I have this understanding based on the context of the post above? Sorry.

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