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absentbird@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

That was the aim of some crusades, there were also the northern crusades which had the goal of slaying pagans and forcibly converting people to Christianity. Obviously not all war comes from religion, but Christianity does seem to have a penchant for interfaith violence.
Not only have there been an out sized number of sex abuse scandals involving christian churches (most prominently the Catholic church) there’s been a clear pattern of retaliation, cover-ups, and defense of abusers. When there’s a scandal in a public school, the offender is fired and indicted. The church has routinely shielded offending priests, shuffling them around to avoid accountability.
Nazi Germany was theistic, 98.5% of Nazis were Christians. Their belt buckles had “God is with us” inscribed on them. There has been more violence waged against theists by other theists than by anti-theists. Interfaith wars, sectarian violence, pogroms, inquisitions, forced conversions, over a thousand years of history shows clear patterns of religious violence. The USSR was anti-theistic (at least originally), and their persecution of religious people was wrong, but pretending that every anti-theist supports violent purges of the faithful is absurd. I am not an anti-theist, but I have friends who are, and they just want to be left alone.

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Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
1: Again, my point was that not all wars are religion based. Islam also have a penchant for it. The Bible doesn’t advocate war either (in fact, Jesus seems to imply the opposite) 2: The issue is an organisation of the Roman Catholic Church, not the religion itself. Large organisations like that are houses of cards. 3: Sure, the nazis may have been theistic but fundamentalist/orthodox (small o) Christians were still persecuted for rightfully calling out the evils of the Nazi regime.

pretending that every anti-theist supports violent purges of the faithful is absurd.

So you’ll think that you’ll manage to get me to renounce my faith and stop believing using laws without having to kill me? 🤣 Anti theism is the advocation of removing and persecuting religion. “Wanting to be left alone” is more akin to secularism, where the government doesn’t have a support or bias for any religion.

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- absentbird@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yes, Islam and Christianity both have a penchant for holy wars.
  
  There are many large organizations that don’t put so much effort into shielding abusers.
  
  Anyone who called out the evils of the Nazi regime was persecuted, including atheists who were often labeled ‘Russian supporters’ due to their lack of faith. ‘Godless’ communists were the first targets of Nazism.
  
  I think most modern anti-theists aren’t interested in forcibly converting anyone, they see the rise of atheism as inevitable. They want to remove religion from schools and public life, stop posting the ten commandments everywhere, stop putting ‘god’ on money, etc. at least that’s what I hear about.
  
  I don’t think anti-theists need to be advocates of forcing people to stop being religious, they can simply be opposed to theism. Like I’m opposed to the smoking of tobacco, but I’m not interested in prohibiting it, I just think it’s unhealthy and the world would be a better place if there was less of it. I think that’s how many anti-theists feel about religion. At least that’s the impression that I get from talking with them.
  
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  - Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    There are also many large organisations which do shield abusers, like the British Broadcasting Corporation. The Roman Catholic Church is one organisation.
    
    These “modern anti-theists” are secularists. These “Anti-theists” are as bad as Satanists who absolutely pinky promise they don’t worship or love Satan, ACAB people who claim that All Cops Aren’t actually Bastards and it’s the institution, or White Supremacists who actually claim to only care about preserving their culture and not actually hate black people, and then complain when people get this negative perception of them outright because the Biblical character of Satan, hating literally every police officer, and claiming that white people are a superior race isn’t a nice thing.
    
    I’ll call out anti theists and anyone who labels themself as one for the bigots they are. Secularists though, I understand and have no issue with.
    
    Also, I have seen a few on Lemmy who have literally advocated for the legal persecution of Christians to my face.
    
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