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Er, that’s what I am saying however is that you can observe and measure consciousness.

You seem to have a very exclusive definition of consciousness, which only serves to avoid the argument, really.

I don’t, I am just going based on current findings.

I am not sure why it’s hard to accept that some living things may not be conscious. Viruses propagate “mindlessly”, they’re neither living nor conscious.

I also don’t understand why you think emergent properties are a hypothesis. Emergent properties of biological processes are fact, look at any cell of any major organ in the body. Why do we treat the brain differently? Because I think we get irrational.

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arken@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

Er, that’s what I am saying however is that you can observe and measure consciousness.

Going with any definition of consciousness relevant to this discussion, say phenomenality and/or awareness, no.

I am not sure why it’s hard to accept that some living things may not be conscious. Viruses propagate “mindlessly”, they’re neither living nor conscious.

That’s not really the point - I don’t claim to know what entities possess consciousness. The point is that you don’t either.

I also don’t understand why you think emergent properties are a hypothesis. Emergent properties of biological processes are fact

Obviously I’m talking about Emergentism as it relates to consciousness, and the idea that consciousness is an emergent property is not a fact, no. And there are perfectly valid reasons - for example, the “explanatory gap” - why someone might find it unsatisfactory.

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- nifty@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Okay, I hope you go forth and research these ideas
  
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  - arken@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I have done plenty of research, thank you. Of course even more research never hurts.
    
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    nifty@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I am interested in knowing if I am wrong, would be cool see published results which can prove any of these ideas
    
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