There is a lot of misandry in conservatism, and liberalism, and leftism. However, the root for it differs from conservatism, and the other two position. While it isn’t a huge talking point, I wouldn’t say it is not something that is really ignored. Maybe it is so in “pop” leftist media? Like breadtube type stuff?
I wasn’t trying to imply that men’s spaces, on various fora, were the only ones with bad behavior. I was pointing out that, when a lot of these places were shut down, a lot of them cried misandry because x misandrist forum is still up. However, when you look at the situation, it wasn’t the misogynistic conversation that got them banned, it was the actions they coordinated on their fora. I have also seen a number of misandrist spaces get shut down too. Again though, it was because they refused to stop bad actions on their forum, and moderate it out.
Yes liberals, and leftists, should know better. Unfortunately you are broaching a subject with A LOT of strong emotional value to it. It is awful that there are, practically, no support groups for male victims of rape, and, even though there is often no indicator it is only for women, they are pushed out of those places because a lot of those women, straight up, are afraid of men. Men have traumatized them to the point where they cannot feel safe around them, and/or get a visceral reaction to a strange man being there. And yes, there is a lot of resentment in these communities towards men. They are mentally, and often physically, scarred by the actions of men. It isn’t fair, but these emotions, trauma responses, etc. are not rational. They are real though, and they are exceedingly difficult to deal with. It is actually very difficult for them to truly view men as, mostly, decent human beings, because of trauma. Especially so because men are responsible for damn near all sexual violence, and homicide.
This isn’t easy. There are no clear ways to deal with this situation. However, men are the root cause of most of it. As you have pointed out, the men higher on the hierarchy are incentivized, in many ways, to maintain this status quo. That is a class conflict situation, between those lower on the hierarchy, and the men who are in control. As more women come into power, both in government, and in the commercial/industrial world, things will change. Exactly how is yet to be seen.
Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There is a lot of misandry in conservatism, and liberalism, and leftism. However, the root for it differs from conservatism, and the other two position. While it isn’t a huge talking point, I wouldn’t say it is not something that is really ignored. Maybe it is so in “pop” leftist media? Like breadtube type stuff?
I wasn’t trying to imply that men’s spaces, on various fora, were the only ones with bad behavior. I was pointing out that, when a lot of these places were shut down, a lot of them cried misandry because x misandrist forum is still up. However, when you look at the situation, it wasn’t the misogynistic conversation that got them banned, it was the actions they coordinated on their fora. I have also seen a number of misandrist spaces get shut down too. Again though, it was because they refused to stop bad actions on their forum, and moderate it out.
Yes liberals, and leftists, should know better. Unfortunately you are broaching a subject with A LOT of strong emotional value to it. It is awful that there are, practically, no support groups for male victims of rape, and, even though there is often no indicator it is only for women, they are pushed out of those places because a lot of those women, straight up, are afraid of men. Men have traumatized them to the point where they cannot feel safe around them, and/or get a visceral reaction to a strange man being there. And yes, there is a lot of resentment in these communities towards men. They are mentally, and often physically, scarred by the actions of men. It isn’t fair, but these emotions, trauma responses, etc. are not rational. They are real though, and they are exceedingly difficult to deal with. It is actually very difficult for them to truly view men as, mostly, decent human beings, because of trauma. Especially so because men are responsible for damn near all sexual violence, and homicide.
This isn’t easy. There are no clear ways to deal with this situation. However, men are the root cause of most of it. As you have pointed out, the men higher on the hierarchy are incentivized, in many ways, to maintain this status quo. That is a class conflict situation, between those lower on the hierarchy, and the men who are in control. As more women come into power, both in government, and in the commercial/industrial world, things will change. Exactly how is yet to be seen.
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So if we are yhe problem why try?
Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Are you trying to say that it is impossible to change?
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not with the way we are going about it.