You realize there are so many right wing extremists there that they would have been banned had they been using other services?
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True@lemy.lol 3 weeks agoWhy?
A lot of pirated content is distributed using telegram.
sculd@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
True@lemy.lol 3 weeks ago
You relaize that the same could be said about Signal?
yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Telegram has public groups which function nearly identical to social media. Signal does not.
If Amazon AWS began hosting nazi websites and refused to take them down, should the CEO be arrested? I’d say yes.
seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
imo the major difference is no algorithm or suggestions
uis@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
You realize it is just chat except it doesn’t show your phone number to every doxxer or FSB agent?
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Also terabytes of child porn that they won’t take down.
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
Because it’s a bad messenger which rolled their own encryption (a thing that should bever be done) and yet it’s still only in one-one chats in very few contexts.
They have lied constantly about various things including never having ads etc, they just silently updated that they would and expected people to be fine with it.
Sure, piracy is okay, but there’s lots of other bad things that go on it which is immoral and unethical and they don’t care enough to do anything about it.
In short: It is not at all a private messenger and lacks any type of good moderation.
AsudoxDev@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Instead, we have SimpleX, Matrix, XMPP, and Briar. They’re ultimately better than Telegram.
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
SimpleX is not as good as other offerings yet, it is very lacking in features and frustrating to use for the few it does have.
Matrix has bad encryption: soatok.blog/…/security-issues-in-matrixs-olm-libr…
XMPP also has not very useful encryption (though not bad imo, it’s just not user friendly nor on all the time or in every client): soatok.blog/2024/08/04/against-xmppomemo/
Briar isn’t there yet on every device, it doesn’t have feature parity on all devices/OSs and can’t be used on all devices/OS.
Signal is the only one really worth considering at the moment in my opinion for most users, good features, and for actually proven encryption.
AsudoxDev@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
I actually think that too. People just think that providing their phone numbers makes them less private when privacy does not mean anonymity.
uis@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Signal is bad then?
So in which direction you want it go? More private or more moderated?
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
Did Signal roll their own encryption? I am unaware of this if so. Even if it is the case, it has been audited heavily, something which telegram have repeatedly either failed to do or moved the goalposts every time it has been audited. Telegram is not a secure messenger.
I think I was explaining why people could see it as bad, not that I particularly want more global moderation.
uis@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Yes. Even entire new algoritgm - Double Ratchet.
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Yeah. Why use X3DH when there are algorithms that already exist and we know are secure?
Privacy is good, but when the public chatrooms are distributing child porn, you can’t use encryption as an excuse not moderating. Failure to moderate illegal content is a crime.
Let the pedos run their own Matrix server or something. You can’t be knowingly providing comms and distribution to child pornographers.
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
Are you saying Signal uses bad encryption? I genuinely am not sure if this is sarcasm or genuine.
BuxtonWater@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
But where do you draw the line between catching these people and not invading the privacy of every single user of the software? Because so far no one has found a solution despite a decade or more of attempts.