Comment on CEO of Telegram messaging app arrested in France, say French media

• SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because it’s a bad messenger which rolled their own encryption (a thing that should bever be done) and yet it’s still only in one-one chats in very few contexts.

  They have lied constantly about various things including never having ads etc, they just silently updated that they would and expected people to be fine with it.

  Sure, piracy is okay, but there’s lots of other bad things that go on it which is immoral and unethical and they don’t care enough to do anything about it.

  In short: It is not at all a private messenger and lacks any type of good moderation.

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  • AsudoxDev@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Instead, we have SimpleX, Matrix, XMPP, and Briar. They’re ultimately better than Telegram.

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    • SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      SimpleX is not as good as other offerings yet, it is very lacking in features and frustrating to use for the few it does have.

      Matrix has bad encryption: soatok.blog/…/security-issues-in-matrixs-olm-libr…

      XMPP also has not very useful encryption (though not bad imo, it’s just not user friendly nor on all the time or in every client): soatok.blog/2024/08/04/against-xmppomemo/

      Briar isn’t there yet on every device, it doesn’t have feature parity on all devices/OSs and can’t be used on all devices/OS.

      Signal is the only one really worth considering at the moment in my opinion for most users, good features, and for actually proven encryption.

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      • AsudoxDev@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I actually think that too. People just think that providing their phone numbers makes them less private when privacy does not mean anonymity.

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  • uis@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    which rolled their own encryption (a thing that should bever be done)

    Signal is bad then?

    It is not at all a private messenger and lacks any type of good moderation.

    So in which direction you want it go? More private or more moderated?

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    • SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Did Signal roll their own encryption? I am unaware of this if so. Even if it is the case, it has been audited heavily, something which telegram have repeatedly either failed to do or moved the goalposts every time it has been audited. Telegram is not a secure messenger.

      I think I was explaining why people could see it as bad, not that I particularly want more global moderation.

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      • uis@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Did Signal roll their own encryption?

        Yes. Even entire new algoritgm - Double Ratchet.

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    • todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Signal is bad then?

      Yeah. Why use X3DH when there are algorithms that already exist and we know are secure?

      So in which direction you want it go? More private or more moderated?

      Privacy is good, but when the public chatrooms are distributing child porn, you can’t use encryption as an excuse not moderating. Failure to moderate illegal content is a crime.

      Let the pedos run their own Matrix server or something. You can’t be knowingly providing comms and distribution to child pornographers.

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      • SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Are you saying Signal uses bad encryption? I genuinely am not sure if this is sarcasm or genuine.

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      • BuxtonWater@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        But where do you draw the line between catching these people and not invading the privacy of every single user of the software? Because so far no one has found a solution despite a decade or more of attempts.

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• sculd@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You realize there are so many right wing extremists there that they would have been banned had they been using other services?

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  • True@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You relaize that the same could be said about Signal?

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    • yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Telegram has public groups which function nearly identical to social media. Signal does not.

      If Amazon AWS began hosting nazi websites and refused to take them down, should the CEO be arrested? I’d say yes.

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      • seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        imo the major difference is no algorithm or suggestions

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  • uis@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You realize it is just chat except it doesn’t show your phone number to every doxxer or FSB agent?

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• todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Also terabytes of child porn that they won’t take down.

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