Comment on Energy bills to tick lower this winter but will remain high

bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• guriinii@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Ah yes, shift the focus onto the individual rather than the profiteering polluting energy companies.

  I’d rather have cheaper renewable energy, warmth and comfort, than wear hat, gloves, thermals multiple layers, and sit in a sleep bag in my own living room.

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  • bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I didn’t say that though.

    I said the price increase changed behaviour. It’s reduced fossil fuel usage. I only care about net results.

    Renewables are only economically feasible because the cost of power is paid on the last generator, which is natural gas.

    So higher gas prices make renewables a more efficient use of capital

    You have a problem with that?

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    • hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If you’re cold, go for a run. It’ll help reduce stress on the NHS

      Not if you fall, or get hit by a car…

      Renewables are only economically viable because the cost of power is paid on the last generator, which is natural gas.

      This is not true, renewables are economically viable at much lower prices than fossil fuels because their unit cost is effectively 0.

      It is true the price paid to generate is the market rate, and that is set by the last generator. That does make renewables immensely profitable, which in turn acts as an incentive to build more.

      But we are talking about electricity generation here, not heating which is what the other poster was on about, and the vast majority of heating in the UK is non-electric and transitioning to renewable sources is extremely expensive.

      That said, using less gas in electric generation would reduce supply shocks in the gas heating network.

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      • bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Their unit cost is zero?

        Capex is huge, and there will always be opex for repairs and maintenance. The blades and motors etc all have to be replaced regularly.

        Solar output is also much less during winter

        My new boiler can run a hydrogen mix and all the UK metal pipes are being replaced with plastic inserts so at some point green hydrogen could offset natural gas and that itself could be replaced eventually with syngas from biofuels.

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• Lazylazycat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  People were just not putting their heating on in the winter. It’s unhealthy at best, dangerous at worst and allows your home to get damp. I was honestly miserable last winter without heating.

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  • bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You can thank the Tories for that. Other countries imposed a cost cap. UK, Netherlands and I think Belgium didn’t and used benefits to offset with differing levels of effectiveness.

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    • Lazylazycat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, we have the highest energy bills in the world due to our government and it has put people into fuel poverty. Saying it’s purely stopping people from sitting at home in 24°C heat is naive.

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      • bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Net highest? Got a source for that?

        I didn’t say it’s purely doing that. I merely stated that the only thing that has made people change their behaviour during a climate crisis is the price going up.

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