Comment on My new company let me join the union on my first day, within their onboarding app

• Septimaeus@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  OK just so we’re crystal, I’m only interested in fixing what’s broken. I have no time for doomerism, tedious conspiracies, or despair.

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  • frezik@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What I’m saying is that you can’t go to businesses and say “a union will make this whole place run better for everyone” and expect them to take that for an answer. Unions have to fight. Some of those fights have been bloody.

    That’s not doomerism, tedious conspiracies, or despair. It’s what has happened already in the history of unions.

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    • Septimaeus@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Of course, union battles are a matter of history. And yes, today the rational agents of global economies often see unionization as a threat, clearly.

      I argue that it’s only a threat insofar as it’s a disruptive paradigm. On the whole it’s a more fiscally advantageous schema for all but the monolithic “vertically integrated” international corporations that profit largely from self-dealing (and probably need to be broken up anyway).

      You said businesses prioritize “Control” and “Power” over profit — i.e. they are not rational economic agents but despots. It’s a bleak perspective since despots can’t be reasoned with, only overthrown, and moreover it dismisses economic theory entirely.

      I’m just weary of the defeatism. I know we’ve been through a lot and many of us are terribly jaded, but giving up is not an option. I want to win.

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      • frezik@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        moreover it dismisses economic theory entirely.

        Yes.

        I’m just weary of the defeatism

        I don’t see it as a defeat. I’m not saying give up. I’m saying know what we’re up against.

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