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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

higher uncertainty of my choices achieving what I strive for

More higher uncertainty of an outside observer predicting the choices you will make.

The inability to anticipate another person’s actions suggests they may have internal agency. Compared to say, a rock, which you can shove and confidently predict where it will stop moving, a human is far more difficult to judge.

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brrt@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
I don’t understand what you are getting at. You are either saying that you can predict where a fly is going to go when you set it free or you are saying that a fly has internal agency.

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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  
  You are either saying that you can predict where a fly is going to go when you set it free or you are saying that a fly has internal agency.
  
  If the fly lacks agency, you would be able to predict its movement given a sufficiently accurate set of information.
  
  If it has agency, you could not.
  
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  - merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    It’s difficult to predict the path of a leaf floating in the wind, but I don’t think anybody would say a leaf has agency.
    
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    UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    
    It’s difficult to predict the path of a leaf floating in the wind
    
    Orders of magnitude less difficult, as the leaf can’t glean your intent and respond accordingly.
    
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  - brrt@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    You missed the point while drawing your circular argument.
    
    Take what you said and replace fly with human. Wait here I’ll do it for you:
    
    If a human lacks agency, you would be able to predict its movement given a sufficiently accurate set of information.
    
    If it has agency, you could not.
    
    Now tell me how you will acquire a sufficiently accurate set of information about a human and its environment to test your hypothesis.
    
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    UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    
    Now tell me how you will acquire a sufficiently accurate set of information about a human and its environment to test your hypothesis.
    
    You can’t. That’s a significant problem of identifying the existence or absence of “Free Will”.
    
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