Comment on Is this just how it’s gonna be till Election Day?

• Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Like, would you say “what race are you” is a grammatically incorrect question, then?

  No? That question is totally in line with the definition of race I gave.

  The census says “hispanic” is an ethnicity rather than a race. I disagree; I think that’s splitting hairs.

  How do you be hispanic-er than someone else?

  I’m 1/4 Hispanic. My mom was half Hispanic (Mexican mother, European father…not saying the country = race before you get your panties in a twist, it’s just a fucking shorthand, everyone knows that most Mexicans are Hispanic and most Europeans are not). My mom is more Hispanic than me. Fairly simple concept.

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  • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Right, so what’s the Hispanic phenotype? As far as anyone can tell it’s a language, and until someone brown opens their mouth they could just as easily be an Arab or a particularly tawny Italian.

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    • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      and until someone brown opens their mouth they could just as easily be an Arab or a particularly tawny Italian.

      …if all brown people look the same to you, you might need to start meeting more people from different races.

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      • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Hmm. How good is your eye for heritage? Can you pick apart Telugu from Hindi, for example? Mongol from Chinese?

        It’s a total continuum so there is no perfect, but mine might be bad, it’s true. I have an uncle with mixed ancestry, and I didn’t pick up on it until someone told me, lol.

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    • barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Or are Arabs Hispanic, too?

      Phenotypically? Yes, they’re very close. The whole Mediterranean is which shouldn’t be terribly surprising. I guess the reason USians use “Hispanic” and not “Greek” is because Mexico speaks Spanish.

      The reason Europeans can reliably tell Sicilians and Arabs apart is not because of phenotype, but because Arabs tend to look like they visit the barber five times a day. Probably because they do.

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      • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Yeah, but to be a phenotype, and not just a social construct based partially on a phenotype, it has to go the other way. If having the phenotype isn’t enough on it’s own to guarantee a race, it’s not just about phenotypes. Kind of like how having wheels doesn’t make a suitcase a car.

        (Also, FWIW Spaniards are mostly white - I know because I’ve actually been there. The brown in Latin America comes from admixture with other local populations)

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