Comment on Some interesting comments on the move
masterofballs@exploding-heads.com 1 year ago
I haven’t run any nostr clients, but I did look at it – and think it’s likely MORE prone to censorship than the fediverse
No it’s not. At least in the following way, If you want to hear someone you may. That’s the difference. In the fediverse if a admin does not want you to hear someone else they can block that person on your behalf. In nostr they can’t. As long as one relay exist that carries that persons data you can get it.
Can filters censor? Yes, but you can turn them off. Switch clients, switch relays. ect.
logen@exploding-heads.com 1 year ago
If I remember that comment right, wasn’t it more about government takedown of central authorities? Nodes, in this case?
If other powers gain control of the node, what happens?
To be fair, I haven’t studied how nodes even work, but I suspect some will get large enough to self-destruct the whole point. Like lemmy.world, where they seem to ban and block at a whim, unless it’s pedo stuff. That shit stays.
masterofballs@exploding-heads.com 1 year ago
two points on this.
The fediverse has nodes too. But they own identities where nostr nodes do not. However, activity pub also relies on domain name resolution. Nostr does not. so nostr is more decentralized in that regard.
Because internet is a common carrier that has government funding in the united states they get free speech protection. So you can host it in your house and it won’t be seized. It’s just a ip address.
You could even host a relay from your phone.
So there will likely always be a couple really large relays everyone uses. But users always use more than one. And data is copied to all of your relays when you post. When one goes down everyone will just shuffle over it’s not a big deal. When lemmy.world goes down lots of stuff will be lost forever. Everyone’s communities will be orphaned. Accounts gone. ect.
There is no private data on the relays. I can give you a copy of my relay database right now and it’s no big deal.
logen@exploding-heads.com 1 year ago
Oh, I’m in no way defending fediverse. It’s neat, technically, but it’s ripe for abuse from inside and out. As for DNS, I wonder if there’s a reasonable way to get around that for ActivityPub.
Okay, that’s neat. I should look into this indepth. I’m currious how data is copied around without overloading nodes. It seems like it may also have the problem of some people don’t see some comments on a specific post, which leads to confusing conversations, but I haven’t run into that yet as I have on Mastodon. But with Mastondon is was a matter of instances being blocked, this just seems like we may be missing parts of the conversation, kinda like on SSB if there are two groups of people who only have some of the data.
masterofballs@exploding-heads.com 1 year ago
I don’t fully understand how all that works. I know there is some nips about finding out where users usually post stuff too. But i have noticed in some clients i’ll see stuff in chat thats not in other’s because the relays are different.
That is just the trade off you get for decentralization though