Submitted 8 months ago by logen@exploding-heads.com to freeforum@exploding-heads.com
https://bluedwarf.top/cackle/view-post.php?post_num=1878
Figured I’d share this since I saw it.
The nostr relay thing does seem a bit… off to me. Not sure what really makes nostr better than here… Unless what we really want is a twitter experiance. Which I, of course, do not.
Also the comments about interaction is silly. I get the best troll interaction by making a alt and posting trump memes on Lemmy world. Ican do that infinite times. I want to use nostr because if I want to hear someone a admin cannot stop me.
I haven’t run any nostr clients, but I did look at it – and think it’s likely MORE prone to censorship than the fediverse
No it’s not. At least in the following way, If you want to hear someone you may. That’s the difference. In the fediverse if a admin does not want you to hear someone else they can block that person on your behalf. In nostr they can’t. As long as one relay exist that carries that persons data you can get it.
Can filters censor? Yes, but you can turn them off. Switch clients, switch relays. ect.
If I remember that comment right, wasn’t it more about government takedown of central authorities? Nodes, in this case?
If other powers gain control of the node, what happens?
To be fair, I haven’t studied how nodes even work, but I suspect some will get large enough to self-destruct the whole point. Like lemmy.world, where they seem to ban and block at a whim, unless it’s pedo stuff. That shit stays.
If I remember that comment right, wasn’t it more about government takedown of central authorities? Nodes, in this case?
If other powers gain control of the node, what happens?
two points on this.
The fediverse has nodes too. But they own identities where nostr nodes do not. However, activity pub also relies on domain name resolution. Nostr does not. so nostr is more decentralized in that regard.
Because internet is a common carrier that has government funding in the united states they get free speech protection. So you can host it in your house and it won’t be seized. It’s just a ip address.
You could even host a relay from your phone.
To be fair, I haven’t studied how nodes even work, but I suspect some will get large enough to self-destruct the whole point. Like lemmy.world, where they seem to ban and block at a whim, unless it’s pedo stuff. That shit stays.
So there will likely always be a couple really large relays everyone uses. But users always use more than one. And data is copied to all of your relays when you post. When one goes down everyone will just shuffle over it’s not a big deal. When lemmy.world goes down lots of stuff will be lost forever. Everyone’s communities will be orphaned. Accounts gone. ect.
There is no private data on the relays. I can give you a copy of my relay database right now and it’s no big deal.
Blue Dwarf is a nice little forum, glad you found it
yeah idk if the move solves the problem, I was thinking about this a little and it seems people need to somehow be incentivized to talk to each other even if they disagree on things, not sure how to accomplish this
on neutral things it may be mutually beneficial to cooperate, like on discussing solutions to math problems which then could be used for a computer application everyone can use
I was thinking about this a little and it seems people need to somehow be incentivized to talk to each other even if they disagree on things, not sure how to accomplish this
I actually think the tipping mechanism in nostr helps. It’s so easy to send someone penny’s people will start paying others to say nice things and that will attract more participation. But that could be used on any platform. What nostr solves is decentralized identities which solves deplatforming issues. The fediverse doesn’t have any solutions to de-platforming. Because it never tried to solve that problem. When people realize that on both facebook and the fediverse when they are banned they lose all their followers but on nostr they don’t I think they will understand the value of spending your time on nostr instead of the fediverse. Why would I invest years posting on a platform that can take away all my followers at a whim when I can instead do it on a platform where no one can? From a user’s perspective nostr just destroys activity pub. From the perspective of someone wanting to control narrative it’s a nightmare.
I actually think the tipping mechanism in nostr helps. It’s so easy to send someone penny’s people will start paying others to say nice things and that will attract more participation.
I know there are people like that, but that just feels weird to me. I get it for content creation (art, music, code, video, etc) or other things where people have to put in time and effort or provide a community service but have costs to offset. But literally paying someone based on what they say just feels alien to me. Maybe cuz I can’t think of it in terms of IRL interaction without imagining someone paying people to be friends with them.
I agree that the deplatforming concepts in nostr seem to have the right idea or at least are actually trying to solve that unlike fediverse.
Accessibility and UI/UX hopefully they will catch up on soon but I worry about the network effort though. Even for fediverse, compared to Twitter/Reddit/Facebook Fediverse traffic is a drop in the ocean. Nostr seems to be a drop compared to Fediverse traffic currently. Not saying to drop them cuz they don’t have numbers or anything. Just that I worry about things like low-adoption leading to eventual stagnation of development and more isolation in terms of thoughts/ideas (cz less people).
I’m not sure how much tipping helps. Do we have an evidence of it working before for a social network of sorts? I suppose there’s twitch subs, superchats, and podcast 2.0 type things that seem to be working, but the traction really isn’t there.
Well, and cam whores, but I don’t think money people spend on sex translates well to other things.
As for the deplatforming issues, I’d prefer carring my identity to various places.
In the lemmy case it’s rough because they ban instances and identities are tied to instances.
If they have to kick me out, that’s fine, I’ll take my ID an go elsewhere. Same as if I enter a bar, start some fights, and I get banned.I just go to another bar and, if I have a following, they can go to. Not only can they go, they aren’t banned from visiting the old bar again.
If people followed identites, rather than identities of an instance, we may have a solution. Which is why I like SSB, and, if I understand how it works correctly, why I wanted to like nostr.
The fediverse almost does this. I’d like to fire up my own pleroma identity, for example, and then vist other instances of the various parts of the fediverse and check them out, but I’m pretty sure I have to host all the data I view, which is not ideal.
Owner_of_donky@exploding-heads.com 8 months ago
I don’t think they understand how nostr works
squashkin@exploding-heads.com 8 months ago
I think it’s a little better understood now (this post was linked to)