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Minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage. In its inception in 1938 minimum wage was $0.25 an hour. Here are things that could be purchased for 25 cents in 1938. A gallon of milk, 8 postage stamps, a matenee movie ticket, 2 gallons of gas, … Rent was half a months wages. Minimum wage was never a living wage.

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BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage.

It absolutely was, and more.

www.minimum-wage.org/articles/history

As part of the FLSA, the minimum wage was enacted at $0.25/hr to maintain a “minimum standard of living necessary for health, efficiency and general well-being, without substantially curtailing employment”.

Better luck next time, Jimbo.

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- jimbolauski@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  If It was intended to be a living wage then why wasn’t it enough to be a living wage?
  
  I will refer to your own source.
  
  without substantially curtailing employment
  
  You have to look past the political propaganda and hyperbole. Minimum wage was implemented to get close to a “living wage” without hurting businesses.
  
  It shouldn’t surprise me that you blindly believe politicians.
  
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breadsmasher@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

never INTENDED to be a living wage

FACTUALLY FALSE

“Franklin Roosevelt’s Statement on the National Industrial Recovery Act,” dated June 16 1933.

The law I have just signed was passed to put people back to work, to let them buy more of the products of farms and factories and start our business at a living rate again. This task is in two stages; first, to get many hundreds of thousands of the unemployed back on the payroll by snowfall and, second, to plan for a better future for the longer pull. While we shall not neglect the second, the first stage is an emergency job. It has the right of way.

The second part of the Act gives employment through a vast program of public works. Our studies show that we should be able to hire many men at once and to step up to about a million new jobs by October 1st, and a much greater number later. We must put at the head of our list those works which are fully ready to start now. Our first purpose is to create employment as fast as we can, but we should not pour money into unproved projects.

We have worked out our plans for action. Some of the work will start tomorrow. I am making available $400,000,000 for State roads under regulations which I have just signed, and I am told that the States will get this work under way at once. I have also just released over $200,000,000 for the Navy to start building ships under the London Treaty.

In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By “business” I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odnirast.html

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- jimbolauski@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  That’s all well and good that FDR said his goal was to have everyone have a living wage, but the minimum wage didn’t do that. A full time minimum wage worker in 1940 would have rent consume 50% food 35% which leaves 15% for clothes, medical, hygiene, & utilities. It was barely enough to survive on and many people had to forgo necessities.
  
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  - BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Goalpost moving in action. The quote in my previous comment was that it wasn’t intended to be a living wage. Just take the L, dude.
    
    Whether it was the intention or whether it was the effect are two separate threads of discussion.
    
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    jimbolauski@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The evidence that minimum wage was intended to be a living wage is that FDR said it was. Have you started believing everything a politician says?
    
    There is no external evidence to support FDRs claim. Looking at the Fair Labor Standards Act contradicts his claim, $0.25 an hour is not enough, the act passed easily and $0.35 could have been set if they wanted to.
    
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  - breadsmasher@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Source on all your statistics and values. I provided an original source from the FDR library of speeches. I went out of my way to give you an accurate source as possible.
    
    Now your turn. Don’t pull anecdotal numbers from your ass that you vaguely remember. Provide a real, verified source.
    
    You seem to think people had zero money when that was implemented. Do you think it’s better today? Minimum wage covers nothing. Rent on a house is over the amount minimum wage pays. l
    
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    wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    drexel.edu/…/minimum-wage-is-not-enough/#:~:text=….
    
    Though often considered the baseline of livable wages, it is important to note that even when it was first created, it did not represent a true living wage.
    
    So when it was created. It wasn’t a living wage. I’ll tell you another secret. Politicians say one thing and do another.
    
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    jimbolauski@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Source on all your statistics and values.
    
    Average rent 1940 $27 per month
    
    ipropertymanagement.com/…/average-rent-by-year
    
    Food costs
    
    www.thepeoplehistory.com/40sfood.html
    
    Meat $6 per month (1/2 lb per day) Eggs $1 per month (2 dozen) Bread $0.40 per month (3 loafs) Fruits $2 per month (1/2 lb per day) Vegitables $2 per month (1/2 lb per day) Milk $1.50 per month (2 gallons) Cereal $0.35 per month (2 boxes) Flour $0.05 per month (1 lb)
    
    Total $13.30
    
    You seem to think people had zero money when that was implemented.
    
    Where did I state that?
    
    Minimum wage covers nothing. Rent on a house is over the amount minimum wage pays.
    
    Never made the claim that it was.
    
    You said “minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage”
    
    I said “never INTENDED - factually false”. He absolutely intended it.
    
    Do not judge a bill based on what a politician says judge it on what it actually does. At the inception of the minimum wage it was below a living wage.
    
    You now saying all that other stuff is irrelevant, moving of the goal posts.
    
    I’m judging minimum wage based on results not the propaganda spewed out of a politicians upper oriface.
    
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  - wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I think people forget until Reagan came into power, living in poverty was normal for many people. I think people don’t realize the difference between growing up in the 70’s and current times. In the 70’s we wore hand me downs, had old cars, didn’t eat out, rarely went to movies and my father was a union auto worker who made more than most. Poverty was just a way of life.
    
    Now everyone expects a huge home, new cars, new cell phone, new iPhone, etc
    
    It isn’t that wages are not adequate, the expectations have changed.
    
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FACTUALLY FALSE