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Ok I don’t really have an opinion on this particular thing, but in general - if the US forces people to do something and the UK doesn’t, I’m willing to give UK the benefit of the doubt.

And more in general, if in doubt, then giving people more freedom is not a bad thing. It never happens these days though - citizen rights keep being constantly eroded everywhere, so it may be worth fighting even for little things like this to keep the idea in mind.

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HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

in general… giving people more freedom is not a bad thing

This is my stance. Before sentencing, we must give the defendant as much freedom as realistically possible (even in fringe cases where we ‘know’ beforehand that they’ll die behind bars).

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mannycalavera@feddit.uk ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

citizen rights keep being constantly eroded everywhere, so it may be worth fighting even for little things like this to keep the idea in mind.

Might be an unpopular opinion around here but I don’t think that after this sort of crime you’re still a citizen. You’ve moved yourself outside of the accepted definition of citizen to something else. I’m not saying you no longer have any rights, of course you do. But I don’t think you should be afforded citizens rights as we know them. Call it criminal rights or whatever you want but you’re no longer a citizen if you choose so brazenly to murder defenceless babies in the way she did. And given that, I don’t think criminals should be allowed to skip sentencing.

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md5crypto@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Sounds like bullshit to me.

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- Guntrigger@feddit.ch ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Which part?
  
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  - robbieIRL@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You’re saying that “citizen rights keep being constantly eroded everywhere” so we should allow actual murderers of children to not attend sentencing for this reason? Wouldn’t want to hurt their sense of rights.
    
    Not a chance. I’m not suggesting forcing everyone to appear at their sentence hearing, but for crimes like the one discussed, then they should be made to show up. It’s not often murders of at least seven human life’s appear in UK courts, but on the rare instances they are, they should definitely be made to show up for sentencing
    
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    Guntrigger@feddit.ch ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Firstly, I’m not the one who was arguing anything. Just like you are not the person I was querying on what they think is bullshit in the above post.
    
    For the record though, I find that to be a very arbitrary distinction. I don’t see what it changes having them there aside from a chance for a Game of Thrones style “Shame” walk.
    
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