Comment on Apart from water and salt, are there any inorganic foods?

• Beardliest@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s a false statement. It needs to have carbon-hydrogen non-ionic bonds for it to be organic. Think carbonic acid vs a ketone of some sort.

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  • Radio_717@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not really completely false just missing a piece of information- ie I should have mentioned they be bonded but carbonic acid and ketones are both organic compounds so I’m not sure what you’re trying to say there.

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    • xkforce@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Carbonic acid IS NOT organic.

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      • Radio_717@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        According to Wikipedia it is- but I agree after looking at its structure that it is not.

        There are no carbon-hydrogen covalent bonds in the structure.

        en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonic_acid#:~:text=In ….

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• pjhenry1216@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Organic compounds don't have a strict consensus based definition today. So any matter of fact statement isn't widely held any longer. It's just one school of thought so to speak.

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  • Radio_717@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re right- primarily because science changes as new things are discovered and therefore the definition changes.

    I still think the definition I learned with C-H covalent bonds indicating organic has fewer exceptions than other definitions.

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• Eheran@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Calcium carbonate is inorganic because it is a simple salt. Containing hydrogen has nothing to do with it. Ca(HCO3)2 is just as inorganic.

  If you think a molecule needs to contain both H and C to be organic, then fully halogenated propane is inorganic, but as soon as one of the 8 halogen atoms is not substituted it suddenly is organic again. This gets even more absurd with larger molecules like oleic acid C18H34O2. 34 chlorine replacing all H? Inorganic. 33? Organic.

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  • Radio_717@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    None of those compounds would be stable. Theoretically you’re making a good point for an exception to C-H bonds defining organic chemistry but I bet all of your fully halogenated compounds would degrade and break apart until some number of hygrogens replace the halogens to make it stable.

    Point taken tho.

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    • Eheran@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What do you mean would not be stable…? They are more stable than then hydrogenated versions. PTFE is essentially only C and F in endless chain of [CF2].

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