Comment on Restaurant group in Massachusetts is trying to reject a public vote on paying tipped workers

• Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lol, im not an owner dingus.

  Ive worked basically every position from busser and expo all the way to exec chef and gm and am currently a bartender. I can so with first hand knowledge that wages go down when switched from a tipped system to a non tipped system.

  I guess first hand knowledge of the industry counts for nothing when a bunch of tech bros on lemmy know more than me.

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  • rekorse@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So go ahead and explain exactly where thr money is lost. Does the restaurant make less money now? Is an owner incapable of paying their employees the equivalent of what they made with tips?

    You said you know all of this so intimately, so lay it out for us idiots.

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    • Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ok, I’ll lay out for all of you idiots.

      In our current system, customers almost directly pay wages for servers and chefs, and it stays tied to menu prices. Thus, wages go up when prices go up.

      In this suggested system, you trust the ownership class to raise wages for some reason because that works fantastically in the United States.

      Im not sure why youre suggesting that, because the capitalist class will always, always, always bleed whatever they can dry. You know that, i know that, the railworkers in the us know that.

      Like come on, use your tiny tiny brain that apparently cant multiple 50 times .2 and think about this fir a second. This will and has absolutely lead to wage suppression because they will absolutely not raise qages once they are set.

      Fuck.

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      • rekorse@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        We aren’t advocating for the owner class. We are not responsible for how ownership responds to our actions.

        Just because an action might have negative effects for the works aside from the positives does not mean its a bad idea.

        The whole point of this is to pressure the owner class to pay a fair wage to their employees. Of course the owner class will attempt to defend their position, which likely means putting their workers into undo hardship.

        People are tired of playing games. Pay what someone is worth, and dont make them jump through hoops to get it.

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      • WanderingVentra@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        People can’t afford food anymore let alone the 18-25% tips on everything. It was easier before the recent insane rise of inflation, but the increase of food prices has applied to restaurants, too now since they need to buy the more expensive food plus make a profit. Or maybe they’re just being greedy, too, idk. But point is, every place has seemed way too expensive to eat out at lately. That’s before the tips. Then, adding on tips and having to do math at your meal every time when you’re already stretching your budget every time you go out, plus suggested tips going up (from 15 to 18, to 20, to 22 and even higher now), and other countries not dealing with this, and I think it’s making people even more tired of the tips bullshit.

        People in the US are trained to think themselves as consumers before workers, which is a big problem, but in this case I think the aggravation is understandable. And it’s weird they work different than basically every other industry. If wage suppression is a problem after, then they’re just in the same boat as the rest of us, and we can all work on it together. Probably with unions.

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