Bike is not faster for a 20 mile delivery range
No, I’m in the Netherlands. Why deliver by car when a bike is faster and cheaper?
BURN@lemmy.world 1 week ago
BorgDrone@lemmy.one 1 week ago
Who the fuck orders food 32 kilometers away? Who the fuck even delivers at that distance? You’d pay more for gas than for the food. Never mind that your food would be cold when it arrives.
I live in a small city in a rural area and I have like 150+ delivery restaurants within 5 kilometers. It wouldn’t even cross my mind to order from a restaurant in the next city over (not that they would accept it), let alone one 40 minutes away.
BURN@lemmy.world 1 week ago
The US. Our dominos served a 15-20 mile radius in my medium sized suburban town growing up.
BorgDrone@lemmy.one 1 week ago
That’s absolutely insane. How many delivery drivers do they have for such a large area? 32 kilometers that’s an hour roundtrip even in a rural area with little traffic. If you order around dinner time you must have to wait for hours to get your food, even id they have like 10+ cars.
I checked and there are 18 dominoes in that radius around my home.
greybeard@lemmy.one 6 days ago
Something else you seem to be missing is often, a lot Americans live off highways. 20 miles may only take 20 minutes of drive time. When I lived in slightly more rural area, most driving took almost exactly minute per mile. Our entire country is designed around vehicles moving at high speed. My city is wrapped in a 60 mile interstate. An unbroken loop around the city who’s speed limit is 70mph. Outside of rush hour, you can take it all the way around at 80mph without ever braking in the slightest, unless there is a slow moving car camping the passing lane.
Solemn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
Pizza delivery has electronically heated insulated containers for the drivers to keep the pizza in during the drive. Generally I think they group up orders so one delivery driver will hit up maybe 10-20 deliveries in that one run. It’s normally not driving 20 miles just to deliver one pizza.
BorgDrone@lemmy.one 1 week ago
32 kilometers is still insane. How long do you have to wait for your pizza if they have to first wait for that many orders that need to go in that particular direction. Must be hours. Here it usually takes 15-20 minutes.
greybeard@lemmy.one 1 week ago
Because it isn’t faster and cheaper in the majority of the US. The nearest Pizza place to me is about 2 miles, the nearest that actually delivers? About 4 miles. And I’m within the city limits of one of the top 20 largest cities in the US. Our population densities are on a completely different scale than the Netherlands. Not saying we have good city designs, but as it is, a bike would a terrible way to deliver food to me.
BorgDrone@lemmy.one 1 week ago
You’re saying that 6.5 kilometers by car would be faster than by bike in a city? In a car you’d be stuck in slow moving traffic or waiting for a traffic light like 80% of the time.
6.5km by bike would be like 20 minutes max, depending on city and time of day it would be 30-60 minutes by car.
greybeard@lemmy.one 6 days ago
That is correct, the median speed, as a rough guess, from the pizza place near my house, to my house, would be 35mph, including the 2 stoplights in the way. Assuming we had proper bike infrastructure(which we don’t); you’d be hard pressed to top the speed a car can go, and you would still have to stop frequently at lights, just like a car. And remember, that is the nearest place, not the only. And a small sub note, this area is not flat, at all. The gradient changes are brutal for bikes and they can’t sustain a decent constant speed. Well, at least before electric bikes.
I am not defending, in any way, America’s horrible car centric infrastructure. It is what we have though, and as a result, bike deliveries aren’t an option for the vast majority of America. Of course, when you leave the city, it gets worse.
BorgDrone@lemmy.one 6 days ago
Here it’s the exact opposite. There is no way a car can keep up with a bike in the city. Let’s say I wanted to go to the city center by car, which is about 2 kilometers. I would encounter 5 traffic lights just in that short drive. On a working day it would be slow, on a Saturday? Forget it. It would probably be faster to walk. Alternatively, I could go by bike and encounter exactly zero traffic lights. I would ride from my house to the bicycle highway (few hundred meters), and from there it’s an uninterrupted route to the city center. It’s a completely separate path and there are bridges crossing all major roads. Near the city center it turns into a shared space where bicycles have priority over cars. The city center isn’t accessible by car at all, so if you go by car you have to park your car at the edge of the city center (paid) and walk the rest. By contrast, I can cycle right up to any store and park my bicycle right in front of it.
Solemn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
Our cities aren’t densely built up, except for New York. The actual urban area of most cities generally has far fewer people than the suburban metroplex surrounding it. 6.5km is literally larger than all of downtown Dallas, depending on how you define downtown.
Even our cities are designed for car travel, so unless it’s rush hour you’re still faster by car. Unless there’s a concert or other event happening, it doesn’t take nearly 20 minutes to traverse downtown Dallas in a car.
loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
I lived in Dallas, this is bullshit. Dallas has traffic jams all the time and it gets worse and worse. There are more than enough studies you can find, just search them on some search engine and look at the data.
naeap@piefed.social 6 days ago
4 miles (approx. 6km?) would be 3mins by bike
Where is the problem?
In my city in Austria like 90% of the deliveries are done by bike/e-bike
There is even a platform/app where it's guaranteed to be delivered by bike.
How long do you thing does it take to bike a few kilometres?
Yeah, maybe your infrastructure isn't bike friendly, but that's a problem that can be solved.
I just don't get the mentally of "well, it is that way and everything else can't apply here"
greybeard@lemmy.one 6 days ago
And here, it can be as little a 6 minutes by car, assuming good light timing, and a max of 15 minutes, assuming terrible timing and unusual traffic.