Comment on So is Israel just going to finish Palestine off?

• Carrolade@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Except they would routinely send in military forces to capture terrorist suspects in a process they referred to as “mowing the grass”. It’s even more pronounced in the West Bank, where the Israeli settlements are thoroughly intermingled with the Palestinian ones, and the Palestinians had relatively few powers over their own security.

  It’s not a simple thing, unfortunately. Middle Eastern politics seldom are, just in general.

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  • YourPrivatHater@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    The civilians in Palestinia in general are victims, thats clear, but the reason they are is hamas and the narrative they propagate about the victim hood that got somehow transferred through generations just as their state as refugees would have according to them.

    But yes the settlement thing is a shitshow, but nither side recognized the existence of the other and both claim the possession of the entire area, however, Israel clearly has more rights to it due to the fact that the people in Gaza and the other parts aren’t the people that lived there before Israel, they are mostly the descendants of the Arabs that attacked Israel shortly after it was declared a state, with the intention of a genocide. The original Palestinians live in Israel (many of them btw killed on the 7th October pogrom/genocide attempt) and have the same rights as the Christians, jews and everyone else, Israel is a super diverse country with lots of immigrants from all over the world. The claims about apartheid by Hamas (supported by un) are absolutely outlandish and just not true.

    Oh and… When you have terrorists as you neighborhood you gotta make shure they don’t plot teroristic shit and remove the ones that do. That doesn’t mean anything about control thats just trying to keep a never ending Forrest fire within certain boundaries.

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    • Carrolade@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The claim of Israeli apartheid is not a hamas claim, it’s acknowledged by various Israelis as well. Neither Gaza nor, especially the West Bank, has had full independence in many years.

      Note, I am not talking about any Israeli citizens. I am talking about Israeli non-citizens who live under Israeli restrictions and off-and-on military control. This is the nature of apartheid. A people that is separate, but not fully independent. An in-between state of conquest, where you’re sort-of conquered but not really and have some, but not full, freedoms.

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      • YourPrivatHater@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Uhhh autonomous regions that don’t see themselves as part of a country and behave like that are obviously not treated like citizens… Thats not apartheid thats common sense. And Israel blockade of Gaza is 100% justified because hamas uses basically everything as weapon transport.

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    • CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Israel recognised Palestinian civilian and security control of the awestruck bank in the Oslo accords from the 90’s. They are blatantly shitting on their own promises whenever a genocidic occupier or their enabling security forces set foot on the West Bank without express permission from the Palestinian West Bank government.

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      • YourPrivatHater@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Yeah the promise to ignore all genocidal attempts, rocket barrages and what not. You are not just a clown, you are the entire fucking clown academy.

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• zbyte64@awful.systems ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I mean if you born in Gaza your birth needs to be registered with Israel. Otherwise you will lack the necessary documents to get through the checkpoints.

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  • YourPrivatHater@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Obviously, Gaza or Palestinia in general doesn’t give out recognized papers. Its a autonomous region for a reason.

    They wouldn’t be allowed to enter any other country without said documents either.

    There is no actual reason why it should ne otherwise.

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    • zbyte64@awful.systems ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      “Autonomous region” is a technical label, but it does not negate the fact they don’t control their borders or who ultimately says their children are actual people.

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