Comment on AI trained on photos from kids’ entire childhood without their consent

• Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Cory Doctorow actually wrote a good article about this.

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  • frog@beehaw.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I remember reading that a little while back. I definitely agree that the solution isn’t extending copyright, but extending labour laws on a sector-wide basis. Because this is the ultimate problem with AI: the economic benefits are only going to a small handful, while everybody else loses out because of increased financial and employment insecurity.

    So the question that comes to mind is exactly how, on a practical level, it would work to make sure that when a company scrapes data, trains and AI, and then makes billions of dollars, the thousands or millions of people who created the data all get a cut after the fact. Because particularly in the creative sector, a lot of people are freelancers who don’t have a specific employer they can go after. From a purely practical perspective, paying artists before the data is used makes sure all those freelancers get paid. Waiting until the company makes a profit, taxing it out of them, and then distributing it to artists doesn’t seem practical to me.

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    • Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The point is that It’s not an activity you can force someone to pay for.

      counting words and measuring pixels are not activities that you should need permission to perform, with or without a computer, even if the person whose words or pixels you’re counting doesn’t want you to. You should be able to look as hard as you want at the pixels in Kate Middleton’s family photos, or track the rise and fall of the Oxford comma, and you shouldn’t need anyone’s permission to do so.

      Creating an individual bargainable copyright over training will not improve the material conditions of artists’ lives – all it will do is change the relative shares of the value we create, shifting some of that value from tech companies that hate us and want us to starve to entertainment companies that hate us and want us to starve.

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      • frog@beehaw.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Creating same-y pieces with AI will not improve the material conditions of artists’ lives, either. All that does is drag everyone down.

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