So if I throw my phone on the passenger seat whenever I’m not using my GPS, I must never be driving!
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ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 3 months ago“when i drive i put my phone in the center”
that’s my point. Or a holder of some kind.
as opposed to passengers who basically never put their phones in the center console.
especially for a taxi or uber. That would be insane.
again: the question is: are you a driver or a passenger? And I’m saying that that distinction is very plausible to make.
if your sole goal is to make it harder to tell in an accident, sure. This is just sensor data, not clairvoyance.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 months ago
ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m not sure what you’re saying, but it sounds like the opposite of what I am, and what’s the opposite of what’s legal in most places.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s illegal to put my phone on the passenger seat??? Please, show me what law is be violated, because that sounds utterly ridiculous.
But the point I’m making is that you can’t make an assumption on who is driving based on where the phone physically is. I could be a passenger or my phone could be on the passenger seat or just sitting in the center console. I could be a passenger and my driving friend is using my phone for GPS on the dash.
There are way too many confounding variables to begin making guesses on driver based on phone sensor readings.
ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 3 months ago
in some parts of the world, it is, yes. And they put up cameras to catch and fine people for it. Ridiculous or not. 🤷♂️
two different things: yes, you can make a plausible determination of a person’s position in a car based on sensors. yes, you can also not have enough data to make that determination.
It’s absolutely possible with things like usage and gyroscopic sensors. You want to say software could never figure it out, I’ll leave you to it. It’s high school level physics.
BubbleMonkey@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
My friend keeps her phone in a purse, which she puts on the floor of the passenger side whether she is driving or a passenger sitting shotgun. It’s always in the same place. When we take Ubers she usually sits in the middle so she can see, and puts the purse between her feet. Thus her phone is almost never on her person in the car.
I suspect this is true for a lot of women who use purses.
So while it may be true for you that your phone is on you while a passenger, that’s a ton of people it isn’t true for at all, who would then be in the “bad data” camp.
ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 3 months ago
right, but your friend doesn’t put their purse in back seat if they’re sitting in the front, or visa versa, right?
no person driving should have their phone on them when they’re driving, so it’s an easy spot to exclude. The rest is logic, sensors and probability.
BubbleMonkey@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
Well now you are just moving the goalposts with that “does she put it in the back” nonsense.
Again, her purse is always in the same spot when she’s either driving or the passenger sitting shotgun. How are they going to sort out her data when it’s almost always in the same spot?
And the same for anyone else with that habit. Or who uses the passenger seat to hold their bag.
ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 3 months ago
no moving of goalposts.
the topic is “driver or not”, nothing more.
there are four options to sit in, generally speaking.
you’re saying both people in the front have the same gyro data. That’s fine; my point is she’s not in the back - or if she is, such as in a taxi or uber (which is the original situation) - it’s detectable.
do you remember when phones started automatically remembering where you parked? they did that by knowing a) your speed changing b) the pedometer counting (among other things). My point is: this isn’t as impossible as you and others seem to claim. That’s it.
chocoladisco@feddit.de 3 months ago
Why wouldn’t I have my phone on me while driving? Where else would it be?
ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 3 months ago
in a phone holder attached to your windscreen or vent.