Comment on Funny, those guys don't usually agree on that much

• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If you are saying gender equality is Marxist then I am guessing you haven’t read much Marx friend. Marx was very about women being relegated to traditional gender roles

  Marxism does not end with Marx any more than Newtonian Physics ends with Newton.

  That said, I’ve seen plenty of liberal writers approach the original works with cynical and dishonest takes. So it helps to cite your reference if you want to be taken seriously.

  that’s not his text and quite frankly there are other contemporary philosophers and movement leaders which did it better.

  Sure. Lenin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Chavez, etc, etc.

  but I personally wish that people could normalize other schools of leftist philosophy and not treat Marx particularly as the magnet that all of us will inevitably be drawn to

  It’s hard to escape Marx’s gravitational pull without abandoning 19th century modes of industrial economics.

  So long as colonial powers continue to apply old liberal economic theories of endless expansion and consolidated ownership in the face of diminishing returns, Marx’s insights into failing rate of profit fueling economic contradictions will remain relevant.

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  • Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I believe what you are referring to is Communism. Let us divorce at least the name of a singular man from a body of work that by your own admission is made up of a number of different writers on the subject just as the elaborations on Newtonian Physics is considered also a part but not whole of Classical Mechanics.

    The reductions of bodies of political thought to singular authors is often used to exclude others. Very often on this platform I am told that I am not a Socialist because I am not a Marxist simply because he simply coined a term to a body of thought that predated him and extended far beyond him so why should I extend to Marx the authorial intent by the political realm of thought baring his name? If you said you were a Maoist or a Leninist or a Chavezist would I not conclude that you are in agreement with their very specific realms of their personal philosophy?

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Let us divorce at least the name of a singular man from a body of work

      If we had a collection of competing working applications of communism, that would be easier. But trying to divorce it from Marx is a bit like trying to divorce capitalism from Adam Smith or the more modern Anarcho-Capitalist attitude from Rothbard and Rand. Like talking about Protestantism without mentioning Martin Luther.

      Show me a fully realized anarchist state and we might be able to talk about Peter Kropotkin or Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. But anarchists from Republican Spain to the Bodo League of Korea to American Native Tribes were wiped out by fascist militarism.

      You could draw sharper lines between Leninism, Maoism, and Chauvism, but you’d still start from their common Marxist heritage.

      The reductions of bodies of political thought to singular authors is often used to exclude others.

      They’re influential for a reason.

      I am told that I am not a Socialist because I am not a Marxist

      I mean, you can call yourself whatever you want. But I see the term “Socialist” pitched around to describe everything from corporate liberalism to primativist anarchism. If you want to talk about AES states, you’re talking about countries that rooted themselves in Marxist philosophy.

      If you said you were a Maoist or a Leninist or a Chavezist would I not conclude that you are in agreement with their very specific realms of their personal philosophy?

      If I said I was a Maoist, I just didn’t agree with anything in Mao’s Little Red Book, I would not blame you for calling me a bullshitter.

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