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stembolts@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

You make a good point. Now, of course we should apply that same way of thought to those who speak of Palestinians? We get a new quote each week coming from top positions in the Israeli government.

An Israeli lawmaker from the ruling right-wing Likud Party on Wednesday offered fresh evidence that the Israeli government’s aim in its bombardment of Gaza is a genocidal effort to kill or forcibly remove the more than 2 million Palestinians living there, declaring, “Gaza should be erased.”

Tell me, of those you and I just mentioned, which have more power in the situation?

Or should we perhaps not cherry pick quotes? Which would you prefer? Both seem to go against Israel.

Let’s change focus.

Perhaps instead we could go by death count? 30,000 Palestinians dead (which is presumed an undercount by major authorities) since October 7th, 75% being women and children. Can you please tell me how many Israelis have we lost in that time?

Reply in your own time.

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throwyourway@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
No, because you’re changing the discussion. You were making the claim that people aren’t calling for the death of all Israelis. I’m saying, they are. Israeli government officials also calling for the death of Palestinians doesn’t change the fact that in the US, where I am, people are actively protesting for the death of 7 million Jews, as the above commenter said.

I’m not looking to get into a larger argument about the state of the war; I have my own opinions but I hold them to myself for the moment.

That doesn’t invalidate my point that Jews are feeling threatened because people are calling for at best the displacement of, and at worst the death of everyone in the one and only Jewish state - the state where the majority of the worlds Jewish population lives, and most Jews likely have family or connections in. And that’s even taking the more charitable assumption that it’s not a dogwhistle or precursor to calling for the death of all Jews, as many other protests in the past have.

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- stembolts@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Perhaps in a sane world anyone who justifies a genocidal state should feel uncomfortable.
  
  The Israeli government is the one putting you in this situation.
  
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  - throwyourway@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Once again, observing in disgust is not the same as calling for the death of 7 million Jews. And it shows a lot that when I presented you with that evidence, you didn’t say “that’s awful, no one should call for the extermination of all the people in a nation”, but “yeah, you deserve it”. Funny how you get all up in arms about genocide, but ignore calls for genocide against those you don’t like.
    
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throwyourway@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Thanks for engaging in good faith :) this is why Jews feel so safe and comfortable, knowing that when they raise valid concerns about people calling for their death, everyone immediately jumps to their defense, saying “no one should die!” and not “yeah, you deserve it!”

Also: world Jewish population: 15.7mil, or 0.2% of the world population. Estimated Jews killed in the Holocaust: 5-6mil, about 60% of the world Jewish population. This has happened before and it will happen again: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism

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- stembolts@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Cool, is the genocide of Jews happening now?
  Is it in the room with us now?
  Can we have this discussion after Israel has killed 60% of Palestine then?
  What are the rules again?
  
  Victim victim, play the victim, blah blah. It’s so old.
  Somehow you’re the victim even when 30,000 people die at the hands of a Jewish state.
  That’s next level stuff brother.
  
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