From the river to the sea literally means destroying Israel. Gaza is 99% Sunni Muslim, wtf do you think happens to minorities there?
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stembolts@programming.dev 1 month agoShow me.
And don’t just link to protests.
Show me the one who states their mission statement as “kill seven million jews”.
Otherwise isn’t this a strawman?
Let me guess, “from the river to the sea Palestine will be free”? If “I want to be free” translates to “I will kill the Jews” then you are intentionally misconstruing to cling to ideas you must know are invalid.
Step one, listen to the words people say. Stop deciding on their meaning independently and ask, “What do you mean by that?”
Am I wrong? I remain open to anything you will show.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 1 month ago
stembolts@programming.dev 1 month ago
How does “Palestine will be free” equate to destroying Israel? The land that Israel stands on has been a multi-ethnic state for millenia leading up to 1947 when colonial forces said, “This is not Palestine anymore, this is Israel.”
There are two extremes.
- Israel maintains permanent open air prisons of Palestinians.
- Israel burns to the ground.
If you cannot see that there is a massive gulf of compromise between 1 and 2, containing infinite solutions outside of your binary, then you’re being intentionally obtuse and playing into Israel’s self victimization complex.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Ok, first up, which river, which sea?
throwyourway@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
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From one of the leaders of the protest at Columbia, who also led around 200 protesters to surround 3 Jews who came to the site and led them to chant “expel the Zionists” (video of the incident in the article).
This is also just what’s publicly reported on, not including Israeli news sources who often report on other incidents that don’t make it to reputable American media, nor including personal incidents that I and my family and friends have been subjected to.
stembolts@programming.dev 1 month ago
You make a good point. Now, of course we should apply that same way of thought to those who speak of Palestinians? We get a new quote each week coming from top positions in the Israeli government.
Tell me, of those you and I just mentioned, which have more power in the situation?
Or should we perhaps not cherry pick quotes? Which would you prefer? Both seem to go against Israel.
Let’s change focus.
Perhaps instead we could go by death count? 30,000 Palestinians dead (which is presumed an undercount by major authorities) since October 7th, 75% being women and children. Can you please tell me how many Israelis have we lost in that time?
Reply in your own time.
throwyourway@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Thanks for engaging in good faith :) this is why Jews feel so safe and comfortable, knowing that when they raise valid concerns about people calling for their death, everyone immediately jumps to their defense, saying “no one should die!” and not “yeah, you deserve it!”
Also: world Jewish population: 15.7mil, or 0.2% of the world population. Estimated Jews killed in the Holocaust: 5-6mil, about 60% of the world Jewish population. This has happened before and it will happen again: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism
stembolts@programming.dev 1 month ago
Cool, is the genocide of Jews happening now?
Is it in the room with us now?
Can we have this discussion after Israel has killed 60% of Palestine then?
What are the rules again?
Victim victim, play the victim, blah blah. It’s so old.
Somehow you’re the victim even when 30,000 people die at the hands of a Jewish state.
That’s next level stuff brother.
throwyourway@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
No, because you’re changing the discussion. You were making the claim that people aren’t calling for the death of all Israelis. I’m saying, they are. Israeli government officials also calling for the death of Palestinians doesn’t change the fact that in the US, where I am, people are actively protesting for the death of 7 million Jews, as the above commenter said.
I’m not looking to get into a larger argument about the state of the war; I have my own opinions but I hold them to myself for the moment.
That doesn’t invalidate my point that Jews are feeling threatened because people are calling for at best the displacement of, and at worst the death of everyone in the one and only Jewish state - the state where the majority of the worlds Jewish population lives, and most Jews likely have family or connections in. And that’s even taking the more charitable assumption that it’s not a dogwhistle or precursor to calling for the death of all Jews, as many other protests in the past have.
stembolts@programming.dev 1 month ago
Perhaps in a sane world anyone who justifies a genocidal state should feel uncomfortable.
The Israeli government is the one putting you in this situation.